32.) Is the Ethics in the Rāmāyaṇa and the Mahābhārata Different?

By arvindsharma

Without entering into the question of whether there is ethics as such in the two epics, I would like to argue that it might be possible to distinguish between their ethical orientations. These different orientations, I would further argue, could be characterized as deontological in the case of the Rāmāyaa and consequentialist in the case of the Mahābhārata, where by deontological one means “an approach which prescribes obedience to particular norms” and consequentialist refers to an approach which “requires the actors act so as to maximize the realization of values endorsed by the theory”.

The deontological nature of the ethical orientation of the Rāmāyaa is apparent in the person of Rāma himself. A recent work on Hinduism, for instance, concludes its abridged narrative of the events of the epic as follows:

Here, in summary, are the colourful and exuberant episodes of a great story beloved of Hindus across sectarian boundaries for generations and generations. A tale of heroes and villains – including animals and ogres – of war and passion, devotion and duty, wondrous feats and fell deeds. And at the centre of it all is undoubtedly the figure of Rāma, the very model of dharma in its different aspects: dutiful king (even at the cost of personal tragedy), protector of the vulnerable, avenger of the wronged, obedient son, faithful husband, loving brother, magnanimous enemy. His compassion and friendship extend to the disadvantaged, to animals and even to conciliatory ogres. Thus, at the beginning of his exile, he accepts the assistance of and embraces Guha, the low-caste chief of the Niṣādas; in the forest he is gracious to Śabarī, the low-caste woman ascetic; he befriends the monkeys in his journey southwards towards Laṅkā; and he welcomes the ogre Vibhīṣaṇā who acknowledged his righteous cause.[1]

In order to appreciate this point one must appreciate the danger of the consequentialist position – namely, the risk of moral relativism. On the other hand, the deontological approach entails the risk of moral absolutism. Hence the problems with Rāma’s subjecting Sītā to ordeal by fire, her banishment and so on. The consequentialist approach is subject to an opposite danger: moral rules become flexible in the light of the telos of the moral system, and with it the danger of arbitrariness has to be faced once rules are allowed to be broken. In the Mahābhārata the rules are broken:

Arjuna and Sātyaki were rightly accused by Gāndhārī for their acts of violence against the king Bhuriśravā. It was condemned as wrong then and there by friends and foes alike. It was against a Kṣatriya’s code of conduct in war. It was a sin against a specific dharma. So was Bhīmasena’s act of hitting Duryodhana on his thigh. Bhīmasena’s plea that he was bound by a vow to break by mace Duryodhana’s thigh and fell him in the battle because of the immodesty shown to Draupadī was not accepted in the Mahābhārata. The vow itself was wrong and the act following it was a sin against a specific dharma. Kṛṣṇa also silently accepted the accusation of aiding and abetting in the sin. He reasonably apprehended that Bhīmasena would not be able to defeat the skill of Duryodhana. He was in no doubt that Yudhiṣṭhira again had committed a mistake by inviting Duryodhana to a duel and giving him the choice of arms and opponent. Kṛṣṇa covered this human failure and accepted the blame from his elder brother Balarāma and Gāndhārī. Contrast with this tale of Balāka the hunter, told to Arjuna by Kṛṣṇa himself during the incident of Arjuna’s vow (Karṇa 70). He killed a blind animal while it was drinking water. But this earned him merit instead of sin because he destroyed the fearful killer that the animal was.[2]

Just as the deontological approach runs the risk of becoming morally rigid, the consequentialist approach runs the risk of becoming morally convenient, and raises the following question:

Should it be that one taking a vow could break it, that there is nothing such as personal and social morality? Is the entire common-life moral structure that contingent? If so, it would not be possible to carry on our everyday life, for this would destroy the mutual confidence people have regarding promise-keeping.[3]

Now

The answer is provided in the incident involving Arjuna and Yudhiṣṭhira (Karṇa 70). Arjuna had taken a vow that should anyone dare to tell him to surrender his Gāṇḍīva (the sacred and fearful bow of Arjuna given him by God) to someone else he would kill him. Wounded and disgraced in defeat, Yudhiṣṭhira was beaten back by Karṇa, who was mercilessly destroying the Pāṇḍava army. He very much wanted Arjuna to face Karṇa and kill him before the Pāṇḍava(s) were destroyed. But Arjuna was engaged in fighting elsewhere in the battlefield. When Yudhiṣṭhira found Arjuna, he reproached him angrily and told him that he was unworthy of the Gāṇḍīva and had better give it to someone else and retire. Arjuna took out his sword. Kṛṣṇa intervened. Hearing of his vow, he reproached him that taking such a vow was an act of foolishness leading to another foolish act against dharma, against the truth of nonviolence. True, Yudhiṣṭhira’s reproach would not matter much had there not been such a thoughless vow. Now this was one aspect of the incident. Kṛṣṇa then asked Arjuna to keep his vow by severely insulting Yudhiṣṭhira, the most respected character in the Mahābhārata after Bhīṣma. His brothers and Draupadī and Kṛṣṇa himself were obedient and respectful toward him. He was called Dharmarāja, ‘the king of dharma’, by all. Therefore, to insult such a revered person was like killing him. Arjuna did that but broke down in remorse for doing so and was about to kill himself. Kṛṣṇa again stopped him. Self-killing is a greater sin that what Arjuna did to Yudhiṣṭhira. Let Arjuna speak loud and boast about himself; for that would be annihilating his own self, a punishment. Arjuna did so and then fell at the feet of his revered elder brother.[4]

In accordance with a deontological approach Arjuna would have slain Yudhiṣṭhira. However, a series of consequential manoevres avert such a fate. Thus both the epics advocate the pursuit of Dharma, but arguably the Rāmāyaṇa is more deontological and the Mahābhārata consequentialist in its approach.


[1] Julius Lipner, Hindus: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices (London and New York: Routledge, 1994) p. 129-130.

[2] Arun Kumar Mookerjee, “Dharma as the Goal: The Mahābhārata,” in Krishna Sivaraman, ed., Hindu Spirituality Vedas Through Vedanta (New York: Crossroad, 1989) p.143.

[3] Ibid., p. 142.

[4] Ibid., p. 142-143

9 Responses to “32.) Is the Ethics in the Rāmāyaṇa and the Mahābhārata Different?”

  1. Ushma Williams Says:

    could you in a future blog give an insight into the incident in the Ramayana which involves the killing of Bali by Rama. I understand the episode as a consequentialist approach to ethics.

  2. froginthewell Says:

    Ushma : I have heard the view that bAli was an animal and Rama’s act was therefore hunting, not murdering. But don’t know if this is from the original vAlmIki-rAmAyaNa.

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  4. s.p. attri Says:

    Subj: Missionary Menace
    1. swamijyoti to me
    Anonymous has left a new comment on your post “The Danger of Hindu Christian Riots in Andhra Prad…”:

    Hi All,

    Yeah, let’s wake up, whine and then go to sleep. Let’s pick up swords against the Christians missionaries who atleast are doing something which we Indians never do. Do something good for the poor, build hospitals, build schools, provide free education, cleanup the caste system stench, provide something to feel proud about instead of feeling ugly with low self esteem, looked down by the upper castes, no jobs, not future, dont have anything to eat, etc, etc, etc,..the list goes on.
    If Christians are harvesting souls, so be it. A lost Indian soul is better than a empty stomach and a step towards suicide or possible crime.

    Common guys!!! Stop whining!!! If you got the big balls, Donate time, energy, effort and money to do something what the christians are doing. Mimic them. Do something good for a change. Then watch your fellow disgruntled Indians retain their souls.

    Frankly speaking, you really do not need a foreign power to provide you with the financial resources. You got ample lagpatis/millionaires/billionaries at every corner of India. Wake them up to do something good.
    I bet, every person who is reading this comment is atleast a lagpati who never donated a rupee or an hour for social work.

    No. That, you dont want to do. Like Saaju Bhaskar says in the above ‘we never donate a rupee at charity’. But we bitch and bitch about someone else doing something good for a change. We Indians just cannot digest when someone else is doing good.

    All I hear is – typical Indians complaining and complaining but doing nothing like what the christians are doing.

    I dont know if I should laugh or cry at the pathetic stand we educated and or so-called cultured Indians take when some poor/uneducated/lowCaste/etc Indians are getting benefited. If their souls are going to someother religion, so be it. Put yourself in their shoes, go on empty stomach for few days and then see who will come do something for you, especially when you are in some rural area. Nobody, my brother. Chances are high that some Christian will feed you something.

    When Mohd Gazhni slaughtered us, we complained. When BritishRaj robbed up, we royally licked their bottoms for 200+ years and complained. Now, when missionaries are doing something good, BINGO!!, we complain. Looks like complaining is in our genes.

    Give me a break and decide what in the above three scenarios is benefiting Indians.

    One thing seems to be clear, the missionaries want your soul. Not your blood, sweat, money, or your women or your lands or cattle. They are willing to sacrifice all their personal monies, blood, sweat and efforts to do some good. The net effect is simple – some pathetic/poor Indian getting a free benefit!!!

    WHY DONT YOU DO THE SAME???
    STOP WHINING!!!
    DO SOME GOOD!!!!
    GO, SUPPORT AN ORPHANAGE!!!
    GO, FEED A POOR BEGGAR!!!
    GO, DONATE AN HOUR EVERY WEEK OF YOUR TIME!!
    GO, DONATE 1 WEEKS PAY FOR FREE MEDICINE FOR THE POOR!!!
    GO, BUILD A FREE CLINIC!!!
    GO, SEND 2 POOR KIDS TO SCHOOL!!!
    GO, FEED 10 OLD PEOPLE IN YOUR VILLAGE!!!!
    DO 0.0000001% of WHATEVER GOOD MOTHER TERESA DID
    Oooops!! We Can’t do it. Me donate? Just cannot do it. She did, because she was a crazy missionary. Me? No Way!! I’m a proud Indian!!! Just cannot do something for free. The word DONATE is not in Indian dictionary.
    What’s left?? Let’s pick up the sword!!

    2. My Take:
    Signor Anonymous has written a sarcastic message. I do not want to imitate his style with sarcasm of my own, I want to tell it like it is.
    Correspondently, I do not want to criticize only Non-Hindu religions, and give the benefit of doubt to Hinduism. If I did that, I will be replicating what others are doing, particularly the Moslems & Christians.

    3. We Hindus are Not perfect, nor have ever claimed that we are. We are selfish, and welfare of ourselves & our family, carries the highest priority in our reasoning. Every body else, our neighbors, our community, state, or nation, take much lower rank. With the coat of arms of this blind-individualism, we Hindus cannot advance into being public or community-minded. We also blaze with troublesome Lakeer-Ke-Fakir ( we prefer to follow the beaten path ) syndrome. Even though our caste system has existed for thousands of years, and is inordinately hier-archical ( a system of in-equality ), our heedless-individualism has not permitted us a sense of urgency, to enable us to reform our social system, for the uplift of the socially-disadvantaged sections of our Hindu society. Even the enormous challenge both from Islam & Christianity, has not persuaded or provoked us Hindus, to set our social house in order.

    4. The unperceptive-individualism of the Hindu & defects in his social system, have enabled Hindu’s adversaries ( Islam & Christianity ) to exaggerate, fabricate, and wholesale-distort the characteristics of Hinduism, even though the picture of Islam & Christianity is hardly flushed with re-assuring beauty. Both Moslems & Christians have gotten away with their deceptive broadcasts regarding the greatness & perfection of their own religions, in spite of the degraded & degenerate characteristics of Islam & Christianity. Actions always speak louder than words & the slaughter of hundreds of millions of Non-Moslems & Non-Christians ( because of their refusal to subscribe to their barbaric religions ), by the soldiers of Hazrat Mohammad & Jesus Christ, and engraved on the pages of history, strip naked the barbaric nature of both Islam & Christianity, and totally nullify Islam & Christianity’s claims of being religions of peace, love, and brotherhood.

    5. Both Islam & Christianity are proselytism-religions, they want to swell their numbers ( by all means possible, fair as well as fraudulent ), to acquire power to control things in the world. Christian-Missionaries do establish schools, hospitals, and other service institutions, but these are incidental to their real aim ( you will never get them to admit it ) of harvesting souls for Christianity. To harvest souls, both Islam & Christianity, have engaged in slaughter, terror, torture, trickery, temptation & taxation, with the greatest glee, gusto, & pride. It is a pity that majority of Moslems & Christians have not renounced nor denounced Islam or Christianity, for their sickening record of un-mitigated barbarism.

    6. Mrs. Radha Rajan says that Islam is sword but Christianity is cancer. Mrs, Rajan is not exaggerating, her description is flawlessly accurate. Christians in US,UK, and other Western countries, raise money for financing Christian Missions in India, with miserably-contemptible slogans, such as:
    “ Hindus are living in Hell, they are headed for Hell, there is an urgent need to save their souls, by converting them to Christianity. “
    And so on….

    The diligence with which they condemn Hinduism & praise Christianity, makes the Christian congregations in the West, donate money for Christian Missionaries in India. Missionaries target the weakest, the most disadvantaged segments of the Hindu society for conversion.

    7. It is easily apparent that:
    Christianity is not a religion of care or compassion, but is a Gospel Of Hate. Christianity’s hatred of Non-Christian religions is not accidental, it is the keystone of Christianity. With an incredibly vast organization & huge financial resources, Christians go to town to harvest Non-Christian souls.

    The Christian church employs 4 million full-time workers to harvest Non-Christian souls, it runs 13000 major libraries, publishes 22000 periodicals, operates 1800 Christian radio & TV stations, all for harvesting new souls. It is a Numbers-Game. Indian Missionaries had a goal of 2000 new churches in India, by the year 2000.

    8. One Catholic publication describes “ The spiritual advantages of Famine & Cholera. “ Famine brings in miracles. Baptismal water flows in streams, & starving little tots fly in masses to heaven. A hospital is a ready-made congregation, there is no need to go into the highways & hedges, and compel them to come in. They send each other.
    Yes, to the Missionaries it is a Numbers-Game & the means take over.

    9. Hindus do not have one prophet, one Text, & one church, which the Christians have. Their Prophet’s word ( true or false ) is the Last Word for them, it has been spread over 2000 years. Sedulous practice of 2000 years, has made Christians experts, in capturing converts for pure material gain, grabbing lots of converts during famine & cholera, converts are assured of food, cloth, & medicine supplies. Christians consider these conversion methods fair & square, not dishonest nor dishonorable.
    But are these methods fair & square, or cunning & crooked ?

    10. Missionaries are:
    “ performing religious & cultural imperialism of India.”

    Christian church has a strong sense of community, with a well-organized social, financial, and political network among its membership. Using wealth to purchase other peoples loyalty is a game as old as humanity itself. Rich men use wealth to attract women, un-scrupulous employers use material incentives and disincentives to manipulate their workers. But historical longevity of this practice, neither makes the manipulation nor the exploitation morally or ethically right.

    11. Organized religions, such as Islam & Christianity, are inherently POLITICAL organizations. Their financial and political machination, differ mightily from Un-Organized religions, who have a mass of independent, unaffiliated believers, philosophers, and mystics. Christianity and Islam make an organized effort to gain converts. Un-Organized religions do no such thing. Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism show no zeal for gaining converts, that is why you never hear about Jewish, Hindu, or Buddhist missionaries.

    12. Modern medical and nursing schools teach their students, that the provision of medical services should never be used, as a means to proselytize or promote a religion, but that does not deter many Christian health care providers from doing exactly that. The USA’s Faith Based Initiative law provides Christian missionary organizations with taxpayer funds, that are used to proselytize indigenous populations throughout the world. When missionaries bring outside wealth to an impoverished Third World country and use that wealth to provide services to attract converts, they interfere with local social and economic structure, & destroy local cultures.

    13. Many Islamic countries strive to protect the cultural identity of their citizens, by enforcing a ban on preaching any religion but Islam. The aggressive, insidious, and highly political Christian missionaries have no chance in a Moslem country, but they have a field day in the country of India. Perhaps India should become a Hindu State, in order to protect its indigenous religion and culture from the predatory missionaries, and State-sponsored cultural Imperialism, that are coming from both Christian and Moslem countries. If the Jews have the right to establish and maintain Israel as a Jewish State, then the Hindus certainly have a right to establish and maintain India as a Hindu State. When Western leaders talk about a Clash of Civilizations, what they really mean is Judeo-Christianity and its corporate Capitalism, versus all non-Christians and non-Capitalists. Christian missionaries are essentially colonialists working for Christian cultural Imperialism.

    14. Hindus are slow to anger, but occasionally Hindus, do rise up to drive out the Christian missionaries. They do this to protect themselves and their indigenous culture, from wealthy and unscrupulous invaders, who have no respect for them or for their culture, whose goal is to replace indigenous Hindu culture, with Christianity.

    15. Honesty of expression requires, a level playing field. If Christian missionaries want to come to India, to make converts to Christianity, then they can come with empty pockets, and compete on a level playing field. Otherwise they are only interfering with the indigenous culture & way of life, and the indigenous people have a right to demand that they depart.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  5. s.p. attri Says:

    1. Atri ji:

    Fantastic. Wish I had the power you have.
    Save your rejoinders somewhere so that future generation culd use that material.
    Best regards.

    Narain Kataria
    (718) 478-5735

    2. My Take:
    Kataria Jee: Thanks.
    I am tickled pink that you endorse my rejoinder.
    You are endowed with talents that I don’t possess. Because both you & I are on same side of the fence, that matters the most, for the good of our Hindu Order. .

    4. I am starting to keep paper copies of my messages & articles. May be some day, these can be put together in a book, by a low-cost publisher. Until then, the free world of the Internet ( a few websites ) would make my write-ups visible..

    Surinder Paul Attri

  6. s.p. attri Says:

    DALIT-CHRISTIANS ARE MORE UN-TOUCHABLE, THAN THEY WERE IN THEIR ORIGINAL FAITH.
    By S.P. Attri ( USA )
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    1. Christianity ( like Islam ) claims superiority over Non-Christian religions & alleges that Christianity is a perfect religion. Diligently brainwashed with this delusion/deception, the Christians of Kandhamal are saying:
    “ Don’t make poor little Christian Me suffer. We Christians are superior to Hindus, and Hindus are persecuting us for that reason.”
    This is a very bad joke, because the Hindus don’t regard the Christians superior to Hindus. Hindus look upon the Christians as “ Mlecchas.” This term is considered a Put-Down expression , and sometimes even Racist, even though it is contextual at best.

    2. But the problem is not terminology, the problem is bad-mouthing ad infinitum of Hinduism, by the Christian Missionaries, as well as their unlawful activities, to gain converts from the disadvantaged sections of the Hindu society. The problem is not un-equal wealth, among the various members of the Hindu society ( as sometimes declared by the Missionaries ). There are strong affirmative action programs, for the uplift of weaker sections of the Indian society, and there are plenty of opportunities for the citizens of India. The solution of the economic problems of the Indian society, neither requires the services of Missionaries, nor needs the mixing of religion with economics.

    3. Christian Missionaries want an extension of the Reservation System, to the Converts, without giving up their Organized Conversion Activities. This is Not acceptable to the Hindus.
    Christians cannot have it both ways, that is, the right of conversion as well as the privilege of reservation system.
    Christian demand is also hypocritical, because Christianity claims to be a casteless religion, but wants the privileges of caste-based Hinduism. If Christianity wants extension of the Affirmative action to the Dalits ( Converts ), then it must first denounce Proselytism as a Pre-condition.

    4. Christianity also sounds phoney when it mocks the caste system of the Hindus, but keeps totally ( and shrewdly ) quiet about what its scriptures say about the un-believers ( that is, the Non-Christians ), what kind of treatment they should get in this life, and what kind of punishment is in store for them in after-life. The institutionalized condemning of the rest of humanity ( that is, the Non-Christians ) to Hell, and treating them as unclean & inferior sub-humans, is much worse than the caste system of the Hindus, but the Christians go out of their way, to prevent any discussion of this issue, from taking place. This is a slick-trick that they play, while mocking the Hindu caste system, but keeping their big mouth shut, about the Institutionalized condemnation & in-equality of the believers & un-believers, that their religion slaps on humanity. There are also verses in the Bible, that describe how to treat the slaves, but no Christian talks about them.

    5. Caste system is not integral to Hinduism. If caste system vanishes today ( and it is headed in that direction, although it will take a generation or two to get there ), Hinduism shall not be harmed in any way at all. But the differences between the believers ( the saved, clean, & privileged ) and the un-believers (doomed, unclean, & slaves ) are Absolutely-Central to Christianity, they cannot be taken out of Christianity. If theses differences are ever taken out, then the whole of Christianity would collapse, because then there is no rationale for the existence of Christianity. No Christian wants to talk about the True-Personality of Christianity ( because it does not look right ), its Ingrained-Inequality between the believers ( the Christians ) & the un-believers ( the rest of humanity ), and the utter condemnation of the Non-Christians, and the division of the entire humanity into two warring camps, that Christianity puts in place, is not any thing to write home about.

    6. Inequality is the central tenet of Christianity, not of Hinduism. In Hinduism, everybody is empowered to attain salvation, based on his or her own Karma ( merit ). Christianity is political in nature & seeks to expand. It depends upon expansion to survive, we have seen it for centuries. It is not that we have not given Christianity a chance. Christianity has been given plenty of chances, and it has brought untold misery & suffering upon the populations far & wide. Two-thirds of Pagan-Europe was murdered by the soldiers of Jesus Christ during the Christianization of Europe, and 41 million native Americans of North & South America were murdered by the Christian Immigrants to North & South America.

    If somebody desperately wants to pray to Jesus Christ, he can do so privately, no body even needs to know that he is doing so. But the usage of the church for expansion, is not just a matter of personal faith, it affects social stability, it is dangerous. The terrible historic record of Christianity ( Christianity is totally naked ), is more than enough to justify banning the conversion process. This ban along with massive Hindu effort to re-convert Christians to Hinduism, will end the problem of conversion in India.
    7. Christianity has sinned more than Hinduism, in perpetuating inequality & social injustices against Dalit-Christians. In Indian Christian communities, caste system swings & sweeps far & wide. Caste discrimination takes many forms in Christian communities of India. There are some churches built specially for separate groups ( castes ). These places of worship retain their caste identity. Separate places are allotted in churches, usually the Christians of scheduled castes, occupy the rear of the church. A glaring example of caste distinction is found among the dead of the Christians. The dead of the Dalit-Christians are buried in separate cemeteries.

    8. Out of 156 Catholic Bishops in India, 150 belong to upper caste Christians. Out of 12,500 Catholic Priests, only 500 are from the Dalit community, even though Dalits constitute 80% of the Indian Christian community. The control over the church, is in the hands of the 20 % upper caste Christians.
    At least 10 million Dalit Christians of India, feel cheated by the church that converted them to Christianity, with the assurance that they would be given equal rights & status in the community.

    9. To put it simply, Dalit-Christians are more un-touchable in Christianity, than they were in their original faith.
    If any Christian sneers or scoffs at Hinduism, and talks about the inequality of Hindu caste system, you ought to tell him:
    “ We know who you are, don’t play games with us. “

    Surinder Paul Attri

  7. s.p. attri Says:

    HANG-MAN HAZRAT, THE MEAN-MOHAMMAD: His Aggressive-Imperialism
    By S.P. Attri ( USA )
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    1. The Holy-War ( Jehad ) against Kafirs ( Non-Moslem Infidels ), started by Hangman- Hazrat some 1400 years ago, continues this day, beyond Hazrat’s grave. But the Phoney-Liberals of India and of the West, continue to ignore this aggressive-imperialism of Hangman-Hazrat. Islamic scholars point out that, the real purpose of Islam is to identify evil in the world, but in actual practice, what Moslems identify as evil in the world, are the Kafirs ( Non-Moslem Infidels ) of the world, and the existence of this evil ( the hateful Kafirs ) cannot be overlooked by the Moslems. This is a distortion of the right orderliness, but it does not matter a bit to a Moslem, who does what he thinks his religion teaches him to do.

    2. The Phoney-Liberals ( of India and of the West ) totally fail to grasp that, the aim of Hangman-Hazrat’s followers is, to destroy all the Non-Moslem religions/cultures of the world, and to forcibly bring them into Allah’s Islamic-Empire, via the Holy-War, which they label as Jehad. Dhimmi is the name given by Moslems to Kafirs ( Non-Moslem Infidels ) which includes Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and other Kafirs.

    3. The most noticeable feature of Hangman-Hazrat’s Islam, is its total unwillingness to subject its system, beliefs, and rules, to critical analysis, as well as its total opposition to toleration of alternative viewpoints. Concepts like rationalism, secularism, democracy, and human rights, have no business in Islam. In fact, darkness of illiteracy, ignorance, fundamentalism, corruption, and decadence, run rampant in practically all Islamic societies. In addition, half of the population of these lands ( the women ), continues to be brutally trampled upon, in the name of Allah, faith, and laws of Islamic Sharia. Women of Islam, who are suffering under the brutality of Islamic laws, are unable to break the fetters of slavery, that Islam imposes upon them. Will the women of Islam ever wake up, and arise from the humiliation and degradation, that Islam imposes upon them ?

    4. In 1948, the United Nations General Assembly came out with a declaration:
    a. To separate church and state
    b. To establish democracy
    c. To abolish gender apartheid
    d. To establish equality of sexes
    Nearly all Islamic countries, are in total violation of UN declaration and guidelines of 1948. As a result, freedom of women has been sliced apart, and the horror of Islam’s cruelty on its women, continues unabated.

    5. Question: What is so special about Quran, that makes it supersede the Universal Declaration of Freedom, issued by the UN General Assembly in 1948 ? In addition to women, Non-Moslem Infidels ( the so-called Kafirs ), are the victims of Islam’s religious apartheid, and Islam’s cruelty and intolerance continues without interruption.

    Yet when you go and talk to any Moslem-Mullah, the first thing that he will tell you is, that “ Islam is the religion of peace.” What horse-sh** ? This has got to be the biggest distortion and falsehood. The entire history of Islam is bloody. Moslem murdered tens of thousands of Non-Moslem Kafirs, in broad daylight, again & again, and again & again. Mean-Mohammad, during his lifetime, had reduced the population of Jews to a bare minimum.

    6. In spite of all this atrocious record, Mullahs ( and Moslems ) are not even bashful about telling us that:
    “ Islam is the religion of peace. “
    What a Joke ?

    Surinder Paul Attri

  8. Shankara Bharadwaj Says:

    Well for that matter, Bhishma the most respected in MBH is not consequentialist in his ethics. And probably that is the reason he is the most revered?

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