18.) The Indian Self-Image in the Fourth Century B.C.

Greek and Latin sources provide indications of how the Greeks perceived the Indians, and how the Indians perceived themselves, in or around the fourth century B.C. Some of these accounts are pre-Alexandrian, but most of them were written in the wake of, and after, Alexander’s invasion of India.

The point which stands out clearly from these accounts is that the Indians are considered a diverse and polyglot people. It goes as far back as Herodotus (fifth century B.C.) who states that there “are many tribes of Indians who speak many different languages.”[1] This diversity is further recognized in the statement about the Indians “situated very far from the Persians, towards the south,” who, “never subject to Darius, have a complexion closely resembling the Ethiopians.”[2]

The next point worth noting is that Indians considered themselves to be indigenous to India. Diodorus Siculus (first century B.C.) has this to say on the point:

It is said that India, being of enormous size when taken as a whole, is peopled by races both numerous and diverse, of which not even one was originally of foreign descent, but all were evidently indigenous; and moreover that India neither received a colony from abroad, nor sent out a colony to any other nation. The legends further inform us that in primitive times the inhabitants subsisted on such fruits as the earth yielded spontaneously, and were clothed with the skins of the beasts found in the country, as was the case with the Greeks; and that, in like manner as with them, the arts and other appliances which improve human life were gradually invented, Necessity herself teaching them to an animal at once docile and furnished not only with hands ready to second all his efforts, but also with reason and a keen intelligence.[3]

 

As a third point, we might consider the belief the Indians had in their historical antiquity. Thus, according to Arrian:

 

From the time of Dionysus to Sandracottus the Indians counted 153 Kings and a period of 6042 years, but among these a republic was thrice established * * * * and another 300 years, and another 120 years. The Indians also tell us that Dionysus was earlier than Heracles by fifteen generations, and that except him no one made a hostile invasion of India – not even Cyrus the son of Cambyses, although he undertook an expedition against the Scythians, and otherwise showed himself the most enterprising monarch in all Asia; but that Alexander indeed came and overthrew in war all whom he attacked, and would even have conquered the whole world had his army been willing to follow him. On the other hand, a sense of justice, they say, prevented any Indian king from attempting conquest beyond the limits of India.[4]

It is clear then that already in the fourth century B.C. the Indian self-perception of being a diverse, indigenous and ancient people must have been firmly in place, and was reported as such by the Greeks. One might add that India then was also perceived as “the most populous of all the nations of the world”[5] – a status it seems headed towards regaining.


[1] R.C. Majumdar, The Classical Accounts of India (Calcutta: Firma KLM Private LTD, 1981) p. 1.

[2] Ibid., p. 2.

[3] Ibid., p. 235.

[4] Ibid., p. 223.

[5] Ibid., p. 1.

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53 Responses to “18.) The Indian Self-Image in the Fourth Century B.C.”

  1. Veenu Says:

    Fascinating. An eternal history student, I’m going to read all his entries.

  2. Sanjay Choudhry Says:

    This seems to debunk the mischevious Aryan Invasion Theory. Even in 400 BC, Indians did not have any civilisaiton memory of coming from anywhere outside India.

  3. Raj Says:

    Sanjay,
    Current genetic evidence based on mDNA and Y chromosome mapping shows that Brahmins and Adivasis have closer DNA than Brahmins and Europeans. All other studies conducted in the last 200 years have the answers in mind before framing the question. Other than racists and communists claiming it, there is not an iota of evidence of an invasion/tourism of Aryans into India from C. Asia.
    Raj

  4. Jeffery Long Says:

    Dr. Sharma, this is a great blog!

    One question: Which figures from the Indic traditions are the Greeks identifying with Dionysus and Heracles? I once heard that Dionysus was Shiva and Heracles either Rama or Krishna. What is your opinion about this?

    Jeffery Long

  5. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: Benny Hinn
    My Take:
    1. There is something screwy about Benny Hinn. Benny Hinn is fabulously rich, and is getting richer. He is a screw and is screwing Americans royally, and Benny Hinn’s money is piling up.

    2. There is no credibility to his healings. His tittle-tattle of heaing is, a hoax, it is wacky, and the works of a madcap kook.

    3. Benny Hinn screws the facts, to suit his purpose. His rattle-brained uttterings are unhealthful, and his actions are hurtful and harmful to humanity in general.

    4. Benny Hinn is an arab. There are lots of Arabian Night stories, floating around his mind.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  6. S.P. Attri Says:

    Signor Yeshu Rathenam:

    1. You have a reputation of touting Anti-Hinduism.

    2. You have not dealt with Lies Of Christianity. Try this one for size.

    3. Your Jesus Christ told you in Bible that, you can believe anything and make it happen. You can believe that this mountain will move, and it shall move.

    You pray and petition to Jesus Christ and:

    a. Believe ( and Pray ) that I be converted to Christianity.

    b. Believe ( and Pray ) that the mountain next to my house be moved.

    If you can make either of these two things happen, then I shall spend the rest of my life, kissing your a**. But if you cannot make either of these two things happen, then you shall have to spend the rest of your life, kissing my A**.

    4. You will notice that my offer is fair and square.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  7. Poonam Abbi Says:

    I join you in your challenge. Let mr. yr make the image og Krishna & Durga in my heart & mind be replaced by jesus. I also want to know if he knows what god looks like. Has he seen God & Jesus & can he describe them? I do not want to see pictures as they appear in the paintings. If he has seen god, then he is a dead man, & must be ignored. If he has not seen God, then he must shut the hell up & stop pretending to be God. What if Jesus is another name for sa y Sugreev? & He actually was a monkey king?

  8. senthil Says:

    Fantastic post arvind.. btw, we need more posts like this, to get an idea of our ancient india..

    If you find time, please visit http://www.dharampal.net, to know pre-british india from the british archivals itself..

  9. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: Sex Behind Church Walls

    Sex Facts
    Four in 10 US Catholic nuns report having experienced sexual abuse… The study found that sisters have known sexual abuse less in childhood, dispelling what the authors call an “anti-Catholic” canard that girls fled to convents to escape sexual advances. During religious life, close to 30% of the nation’s 85,000 nuns experienced “sexual trauma,” ranging from rape to exploitation to harassment. A total of 40% reported at least one experience of that kind. NCR [National Catholic Reporter], 1/15/99
    The Presbyterian Church stated that 10-23% of clergy have “inappropriate sexual behavior or contact” with clergy and employees.
    The United Methodist research (1990) showed 38.6% of Ministers had sexual contact with church members and that 77% of church workers experienced some type of sexual harassment.
    The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place have been sexually harassed by male clergy.
    The Southern Baptists claim 14.1% of their clergy have sexually abused members.
    Link
    Fact
    Child-abuse by clergy is also rampant amongst all Christian denominations.
    Books on the history of sexual abuse in Christianity
    Much more statistics and documentation on abuse, especially child abuse among various denominations and countries.
    Some of the endless news reports in recent times on clerical child abuse
    Nuns abused

    The Vatican yesterday acknowledged a report that some priests and missionaries were forcing nuns to have sex with them, and in some cases forcing their rape victims to have abortions.
    … the report cited cases in 23 countries, including the United States, Brazil, the Philippines, India, Ireland and Italy.
    … the report said most incidents of sexual abuse against nuns occurred in Africa, where the nuns were identified as “safe” at a time when AIDS is devastating the continent.
    — Vatican Recognizes Rape Report – Washington Post (Reuters AFRICA) March 21, 2001
    More
    Neglected clergy in the US: AIDS due to lack of support
    Aids in the Priesthood – Kansas City Star News, 2000

    Hundreds of Roman Catholic priests across the United States have died of AIDS-related illnesses, and hundreds more are living with HIV, the virus that causes the disease. It appears priests are dying of AIDS at a rate at least four times that of the general U.S. population.
    As the Kansas City Star’s coverage makes clear, the issue is troubling many denominations (not just the Catholic Church, though it is the only one imposing celibacy on all its clergy).
    Because of Christianity’s negative and repressive views on the matter, and the lack of support or even Church programs to educate priests about safe sex, many clergymen have ended up with AIDS:
    Experts say that until the church starts encouraging a more healthy understanding of sexuality, priests will continue to die of AIDS.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  10. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Sh. Surrinderji,

    Do you know this Rajinder Sachar. This man seems to be a big idiot. i even did not read the article when he said that Holy Quran proclaims, “All the created ones belong to the family of God… so, an Arab has no precedence over a non-Arab, a White over a Black.” And Christ said succinctly, “All are children of God.”
    looks nobody has suffered in his family due to Muslims.
    This man seems to be cpmpletely blind person. Not only that all door of his brain has tiny opening where light from Muslim world goes.
    Mohan

    2. My Take:
    Shri Mohan Gupta Jee:
    I don’t know this cat named Rajinder Sachar, but he appears to be a Liar. I do not buy his fabricated stories on Quran. Here is my analysis of Quran & Islam.

    Surinder Paul Attri
    ————

    HAZRAT MOHAMMAD’S ISLAM
    By S.P. Attri ( USA )
    ———————————————————————-
    1. Belief in Islam is held by lots of people in the world, but that does not mean that, Islam is not absurd, or that Islam is not downright silly. Islam is not all that old either. We have lots of stories and records of history, which provide a glimpse into the mind of Hazrat Mohammad, who founded Islam, and claimed to be the Prophet, and Apostle of the Merciful Allah. Yet the records of history show Hazrat Mohammad to be anything but holy, and his Allah to be anything but merciful.

    2. Hazrat Mohammad slaughtered all the Jews of Arabia, and roused hatred between his Moslems and the Jews. Before the arrival of Hazrat Mohammad, Jews and Arabs had lived in peace and harmony, for hundreds of years. Hazrat Mohammad murdered anyone who questioned his holiness. He killed Jewish men, and raped Jewish women, that he captured in raids. He looted peaceful caravans, killed the men, usurped their properties, and sold their wives and daughters as slaves.

    3. Hazrat Mohammad was also an opportunist. He married an affluent lady named Khadija, who was fifteen years his senior. This opportune action enabled him to become rich in a jiffy, and to banish poverty for ever. After his affluent wife died, he bade goodbye to any decorum or modesty, and had sex with 20 plus women. Casanova Hazrat Mohammad had sex with slave-women & maid-servants, that he captured in wars. He even lusted the pretty wife of his adopted son. These exploits are more than enough to irradiate the sexual-misdeeds of libidinous Hazrat Mohammad.

    4. Does Hazrat Mohammad’s Islam, has any quality of being decent ?
    No, it does not.
    Hazrat Mohammad’s Islam has brought nothing but hatred, between Moslems and Non-Moslem Infidels ( the so-called Kafirs ). Hundreds of millions of Kafirs, have been knifed by the sword of Islam. Killing of Kafirs is still going on, in various parts of the world. Islam preaches and promotes a doctrine that, rears terrorists.
    Hazrat Mohammad thwarted the rights of Moslem women, and subjected them to slavery & domestic abuse. Women in Arabia were far better off before Islam, than after Islam.

    5. Moslems and Apologists For Islam, prefer to engage in denial. They condemn fundamentalists amongst the Moslems, for mis-interpreting Quran. Yet the truth is that it is the apologists are the ones, who are mis-interpreting Quran, and are not willing to let go of Quran, a book that promotes war, hatred, and mistreatment of Kafirs, and Islamic women.

    6. Conclusion: Do not buy the fiction of Hazrat Mohammad’s holiness, or the mercifulness of his Allah.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  11. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: Rajinder Sachar ( son of Bhimsen Sachar, and brother-in-law of Kuldip Nayar )

    On Jan 27, 2008 1:16 AM, N.S.Rajaram wrote:

    1. Rajinder Sachar is is the son of Bhimsen Sachar and the brither-in-law of Kuldip Nayar. I know the family. They wanted to stay in Pakistan after the Partition but were kicked out.

    2. My Take:
    Isn’t he the same Gandhi-Capped Bhimsen Sachar, who was advising Hindus and Sikhs, to stay in West Panjab, while the Moslem Goondas ( assisted by Moslem Police ) were crashing down on them, slaughtering them, abducting & raping their women, looting the shops, bazaars and banks of the Hindus and Sikhs? Do I need to recite the Rape Of Rawalpindi, Sargoda, or Lahore ?

    3. Signor Bhimsen Sachar himself quietly escaped to India ( East Panjab ), not wearaing a Gandhi-Cap, but probably putting on a Muslim dress, and acting as a vegetable vendor, as some Hindus did. It was a matter or survival, no doubt.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  12. S.P. Attri Says:

    CHRISTIANS RAISING HELL IN NE INDIA
    By S.P. Attri ( USA )
    ————————————————————–
    1. At this point in time, quite a few Hindus have their eyes vectored toward Kashmir, where slaughter of Hindus by Sullas, has been underway for some time, but they have totally shut their eyes on NE India, where the Christians are giving plenty of Hell to Hindus. The power-balance has definitely shifted in favor of Barbaric-Christians, largely due to the Hindu neglect of NE India, to what is going on over there. It is worth pointing out that we Hindus have a fundamental problem, that is more than 1200 years old. We have forgotten how to defend ourselves. We Hindus are more interested in making money, and military service ( Kashatriya Duty of a Hindu ) is being disdained. Whether we realize it or not, this attitude is a path of total disaster for the Hindu, and is responsible for the predicament that we now have in NE India.

    2. How did the large scale assault of Christians against the Hindus of NE India get started ?
    As the Christian Missionaries arrived in NE India ( during the British Regime ), they started altering it completely. They started converting tribal-Hindus in remote parts of NE India, and succeeded in converting large parts of NE India to Christianity, while we Hindu slept. Soon they started asking the rest of NE India for Christ, and for his religion of peace, love, and brotherhood. This religion of peace, love, and brotherhood is raising plenty of Hell in NE India. Christian Missionaries are sending Christian Goondas and terrorist organizations ( whom they are supporting ) like NLFT ( National Liberation Front Of Tripura ), to spread terror in the Hindu-Tribal villages of NE India, asking them at gun point to either convert or get killed.

    3. They have already converted large masses of people in Nagaland, and are now asking for greater Nagaland ( which they call Nagalim ), by conquering several districts of other Indian states for Christ. They are openly warning the Hindus in Hindu-Tribal villages, to either convert or receive capital punishment. NFLT is dominated by Baptist-Missionaries, they forcefully enter tribal villages, order them to stay away from Durga Pooja & other Hindu Rituals, or they will be instantly killed. Many tribal Hindus have succumbed to this threat. In its public official statement, NLFT has stated that it wants all tribals in Tripura to become Christians, and they it would eliminate anyone, who dares come in the way of converting all of Tripura to Christianity.

    4. Given the pattern of hate, crime, and violence against the Hindu, conducted by the Christians of NE India, does it surprise anyone, why Hindus in the rest of India, are outraged and angry. How much SH** can the Hindu take from the Christian. Unfortunately, the Phoney-Liberal India Media, reports the retaliatory Hindu action, but never mentions the barbarism of Christians, that is practiced widely against the Hindus, all across NE India. What kind of secularism is being practiced in India ?

    5. Christianity is an ideology with Satanic-Elements. It will be utterly foolish for the Hindu, not to confront it, and not try to put it out of business.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  13. Prof.Mallikarjuna Rao Says:

    The extracts are quite interesting and call the bluff of Aryan Invasion Theory. The dates of Indian history are fixed by the British and they are followed even today with out questions.This information leads to an interesting point. Today many historians of leftist persuasion argue that our sense being a nation is only a recent phenomenon and that we never had the sense of being a one community or a nation until we received English education! Your piece will debunk these spurious claims. Thank you and keep it up.

  14. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Malaysian Hindu demonstration at 10 Downing on Friday, 1st February, at 11am to 2pm

    Malaysian Hindus, a two million minority in Malaysia, are sufferring religious persecution under the new “lite-taliban” policies of the corrent Government. HINDRAF (Hindu Rights and Action Force) of Malaysia have organised a protest opposite Downing street at 11am this Friday to present a petition to the Prime Minister at 2pm.
    Hindu temples have been destroyed and damaged, irrespective of their age. An EDM was raised by the Hon. Stephen Pound MP to raise the issue in the UK Parliament last month.

    31 protestors were arrested in the peaceful march at Kuala Lumpur on 25 November 2007, of whom 5 still remain under detention.
    HCUK requests all to support this silent protest against the human rights violations of not only the Hindu minority but other religious minorities of Malaysia also.

    HCUK’s General Secretary, Anil Bhanot, said that the Taliban ideology which destroyed the Bamiyan Buddhas needs to be challenged for re-education. He said, “If God ever commanded not to worship idols then it was in reference to the idols in one’s own heart, the idols of obsession to some self-centred ideologies and not those of selfless devotion to the wonderful facets of the all-loving one Absolute God.”

    We appeal to the world communities to help stop the lite-talibanisation of the Malaysia Government through trade and other means. Please come to the protest this Friday and if working then at least in your lunch hour.
    2. My Take:

    The protest at 10 Downing Street, is right on the money.

    ” Down with the Islamist Government of Malaysia. ”

    3. Silence only gives the seal of approval, to the uncivil actions of the Taliban-Type government of Malaysia, which seems to be suffering from a nostalgic glow, of past Islamic conquests across continents.

    The tyranny, torment, and torture of Non-Moslem Infidels ( Kafirs ) in Malaysia, is neither defendable, nor acceptable nor tenable, in the 21st century.

    4. If the government of Malaysia does not mend its ways, then the Hindus of Malaysia, would be forced to defend their interests via stronger means, by organizing themselves along lines of LTTM ( Liberation Tigers Of Tamil Malaysia ).

    5. Hindus of Malaysia cannot and will not allow, the legalized loot and murder of their co-religionists.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  15. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Tamils landed in Sri Lanka over 1000 years ago. The Hindu Tamils and
    Buddhist Sinhalas fought innumerable battles. Each lost some, won some, but
    no one completely dominated the other. Even though power in Sri Lanka has
    been with the Sinhala Buddhist for long now, the LTTE remianed as a strong
    detterent in the Sinhala Buddhist urge to completely dominate Tamils. What
    could not be achieved for 1000 years by the mightiest to Sinhala kings, is
    at last going to be achieved and Tamils will be completely at the mercy of
    the whims and facny of the clergy, political forces of the mighty Sinhala
    Buddhists of Sri Lanka.

    2. My Take:
    Quote: What could not be achieved for 1000 years by the mightiest to Sinhala kings, is
    at last going to be achieved and Tamils will be completely at the mercy of
    the whims and facny of the clergy, political forces of the mighty Sinhala
    Buddhists of Sri Lanka.
    MY COMMENT:
    Hindu Tamils will not be at the mercy of the Sinhala Power-Clique, unless we Hindus let the Sinhalese have their merry way. If the Hindus are resolved, they can not only defeat the evil designs of the Sinhalese, but can convince them that, they shall never be able to dominate the Hindu population.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  16. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Namsivaya,
    Respected Surinderji,
    Namaskar

    Thank you your critical and valuable comments on Christian aggression on India.
    I was in India for six months. I have traveled most of the states. First hand observation reveals that India is under seige from within and without. Hindus are on constant attack from every side. Christians have taken over the central government and several states. In Kerala and the North East, they are are under complete control. In Kerala, the land of Sankaracharya, Hindus will become a minority within the next ten years. The media, (TV and Print) academicians, intellectuals, phony secularists, and corrupt politicians, Marxists, Muslims and the Christians have made an unholy alliance against Hindus. Their goal is to destroy the social fabric of India and take our our sacred land. They attack from within and without. Hindu organizations are suffering from psychological war by the media. They are working for few bread crumbs from foreign countries.
    Unless checked and dismantled, these inimical groups will slowly destroy the country.
    Again thanks for your sharp observation and critical comments.

    Dr. Babu Suseelan

    2. My Take:
    Dr. Suseelan Jee:
    Namsivaya to you also.
    A glance at the dishonorable actions of following one Islamic Hero ( Mahmud Ghaznavi ), unlocks the criminal ideology ( Islam ) that underlies these actions of Moslems.

    Mahmud of Gaznavi

    (From the accounts of arikh-i-Yamini of Utbi the secretary of Mahmud of Gaznavi)
    At Thaneshwar.
    “The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously at Thanesar that the stream was discolored, not withstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it. The Sultan returned with plunder which is impossible to count. Praise be to Allah for the honor he bestows on Islam and Muslims.”
    At Somnath
    “The Muslims paid no regard to the booty till they had satiated themselves with the slaughter of the infidels and worshipers of sun and fire…. The number of infidels killed exceeded 50,000”
    At Mathura
    “The infidels…deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river…but many of them were slain, taken or drowned… Nearly fifty thousand men were killed.”

    Above example lays bare the un-paralleled terror, torture, and barbarism of Islam ( Christianity is just as bad ) of centuries, the gory details of which are engraved on the pages of history, for all time to come. It ought to have been considered the sacred duty of Every Hindu, to dislodge these evil ideologies, and put them completely out of business.

    3. But such was not the case, instead we Hindus have been sleeping in our closets, while the knuckle-heads of Islam & Christianity, have been taking over large chunks of our Hindu population, our Hindu territory, and our Hindu money. Now we Hindus find our grave, close to our front gate. Something needs to be done in a hurry, or we are history.
    I completely coincide with you that, we Hindus are under siege, internally & externally. In the garb of composite culture and secularism ( actually Pseudo-Secularism ), minorities ( Moslems & Christians ) wield disproportionate and much larger influence in State as well as Central government, at the cost of the Hindu. I agree with you that, the Hindu is under strong pressure every where in India. This Corrupt & Un-Ethical Influence has to be totally dismantled.

    4. Because majority of our Hindus are Phoney-Liberal to one degree or another, any idea of action against the evil ideologies of Islam & Christianity, becomes a hard-sledding. Hindus are also not united, nor organized, and there is not a single charismatic Hindu Leader, who can put the Hindu Act together.
    But Hindu has many strengths. It is said that:
    “ PEN IS MIGHTIER THAN SWORD. “
    And indeed it is.
    But now-a-days :
    “ MONEY SEEMS TO BE MIGHTIER THAN EITHER PEN OR SWORD.”

    5. Fortunately, the Hindu is ahead of both Sullas & Kharistas, in both Pen & Money. We are also living in an age of :
    “ HIGH-TECH & FORCE-MULTIPLIERS. “
    And the Hindu is Pretty-Good in both these areas.

    Even though there is not a single charismatic Hindu Leader, there are lots of smart Hindus out there. It is a safe bet to assume that, some of them are strongly committed to the good of our Hindu Order. We have got to find them.

    6. There has to be some way of organizing the areas of Hindu Strength, to put both Islam & Christianity out of business in India, and to make India:
    Islam-Free & Christianity-Free.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  17. S.P. Attri Says:

    1.Slow INVASION of calm and decent British “way of life” in Oxford. Church bells will have to give SPACE to Mullah’s “Azaan” (Loud ear shattering Cry to Prayer).

    First they asked for ‘once a day’. Now it is three times a day. Next it will be FIVE times a day. Finally it will be from EVERY MOSQUE in the county five times a day. One ought to know of the “Encroaching Arab Camel” who started from Mecca, advanced up to Jerusalem and now OCCUPIES the earth on all continents so that the “Sun never sets on Mohammed’s Women-Crushing, Infidel-Killing Dictatorial Separatist Empire” of Intolerance, Slaughter (of the Innocent), Loot & Arson and Molestation of women.

    If permitted to broadcast Azan over Oxford, they will soon go for higher decibel levels than church bells around.

    The shrill “Azan” (Call to Prayer) may be soothing to Muslim ears, it sends a shiver of fear down the spine of non Muslims most of whom have strong recollection of Islamic barbarities in own countries of birth. It’s an unnerving reminder of the potential Killers, abductors, rapists, arsonists and suicide bombers in their midst. Which Armenian, Hindu or Sikh listens to Azan with equanimity? Rather, under the weight of Muslim conquests and bloodshed throughout history it sounds like Call to War. The frightful imagery is reinforced when no female is seen among the all-male worshippers who stand in linear formations in mosques like army formations on drill square. Can a non Muslim dare stand among them? He would be turned away from their “House of Allah” if seen entering the door.

    It is definitely not the case with the Church bells or the music from Buddhist, Hindu and Sikh places of worship where we see families together enjoying their presence in the House of God. Here one sees the sign “All are welcome”.

    In earlier times while the “Believers” (in Global Islam) were busy in chores, the Mullah kept an eye on the sun and determined the time to call them to prayer FIVE TIMES a day to maintain his own central authoritative position. People were MADE TO come five times so that the Imam had FIVE occasions to collect their small change. Believers could also leave their cattle, fields and pastures to turn up in mosque even umpteen times to listen to the same Allah Hu Akbar a million times in raw yelling male voice. Men were the ‘army of Mohammed’ for his constant warfare. Seeing them on their way to gather in mosque was frightening sight to the non Muslims around and also sign of separation and subjugation to the women and girls.
    The two things missing from the Prayer thereafter were conceding EQUALITY to women and tolerating the NON MUSLIMS and their places of worship. These were often the target of ALL-MALE MUSLIM MOBS returning from mosques. The rate of loot, arson, abduction and rape soared high on Fridays during the days of Partition of India when the indigenous Muslims were suddenly given one third of the country, now Pakistan. But the Muslim lives in the time of Mohammed.

    The Muslim is a BEAST when it comes to “consideration for the others”. DO they think of the hurt to Christians when they throw bombs and grenades at church congregations in Pakistan? Do they show any regret over the massacre of millions of fellow humans? Why do they not feel the hurt they cause to the SIKHS by flying their ISLAMIC flag over the birth place of Guru Nanak, the founder of Sikh Faith? Why don’t they notice the DEGRADATION of all the Non Muslims when they call a country ISLAMIC?

    The TOLERANT British are beginning to see the INTOLERANT monster growing in their midst who uses Christian values, Criminal, Penal and Political system & legislation to advance on new TERRITORY. When it suits them they do not mention or follow either their Koran or the Sharia Law.

    Who will grab the ISLAMIC BULL by its horns before the word “UNITED” in the United Kingdom comes under more visible threat?

    Rajput
    January 26, 2008.

    2. My Take:
    Quote: Who will grab the ISLAMIC BULL by its horns before the word “UNITED” in the United Kingdom comes under more visible threat?
    COMMENT: This is the job of John Bull ( English-Man ).
    Question: Are the Tommies ( English-Soldiers ) going to start loading their Tommy-Guns, or are they going to play Limees ?

    3. Quote: One ought to know of the “Encroaching Arab Camel” who started from Mecca, advanced up to Jerusalem and now OCCUPIES the earth on all continents so that the “Sun never sets on Mohammed’s Women-Crushing, Infidel-Killing Dictatorial Separatist Empire” of Intolerance, Slaughter (of the Innocent), Loot & Arson and Molestation of women.
    COMMENT: Yes, but what UK & other Western countries are importing, are not the Arabian-Camels, but Camel-Jockeys, who kill Kafirs ( Non-Moslem Infidels ) with great glee, gusto, and Islamic-Pride. The Western countries ( UK included ) are needlessly exposing themselves, to Islam’s Barbarism, and its Systematic Plunder Machine. There should be no doubt that UK will be mutilated by the Camel-Jockeys, if left un-leashed, they will take UK into a haunting new spot.

    4. Quote: The frightful imagery is reinforced when no female is seen among the all-male worshippers who stand in linear formations in mosques like army formations on drill square. Can a non Muslim dare stand among them? He would be turned away from their “House of Allah” if seen entering the door.

    COMMENT: There is not a diddly-squat of surprise here.
    Regarding Moslem Women: Quran clearly states that Men are superior to women. Secondly, Islam instructs that a man should control his women through brutal violence and fear.
    IV/15: (For women) If any one of your women is guilty of lewdness …confine them until death claims them.
    IV/16: (For Men) If two men among you commit indecency (sodomy) punish them both. If they repent and mend their ways, let them be. Allah is forgiving and merciful.
    As you can see, for women any sort of sexual exploration is punishable by death. Whereas for a man, any form of perversion is pardoned by the all merciful Allah.
    XXIV/6-7: As for those who accuse their wives but have no witnesses except themselves , let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies…
    Here we see, that a husband can easily accuse his wife (or wives) and eventually sentence her to death by merely declaring four times that the accusation is true. On the other hand, women have no such right in Islam.

    Regarding Non-Moslem Infidels ( Kafirs ): Muslims are sedulously taught that ”Everyone who does not embrace Islam is an unbeliever and must be called an unbeliever. One who does not call the Jews, Christians, and other Non-Moslem unbelievers, is himself an unbeliever.” ”Whoever believes that churches/temples are houses of God, is an infidel.

    5. Quote:
    The Muslim is a BEAST when it comes to “consideration for the others”.

    COMMENT: Yes, the Moslem is a Beast, but he is a Knuckle-Headed Beast. He cannot think for himself, he tries to emulate the great personality of Casanova Hazrat Mohammad. Hazrat Mohammad’s Kafir-Hatred and lust for their Kafir-Blood, was gigantic and horrifying. It is sickening to read the despicable actions of the Evil Beast, Hazrat Mohammad.

    6. Quote:
    The TOLERANT British are beginning to see the INTOLERANT monster growing in their midst who uses Christian values, Criminal, Penal and Political system & legislation to advance on new TERRITORY. When it suits them they do not mention or follow either their Koran or the Sharia Law.

    COMMENT: Let us not be silly.
    I doubt very much if the British are seeing or even want to see the Intolerant Monster of Islam ( The Evil Ideology Of Islam ). Why else would they apologize or find excuses for Islam ? Why else do they pass the buck on to a few misguided Moslems ( completely absolving the majority of Moslems, many amongst whom support the actions of their co-religious terrorists ), for terrorism in UK, rather than putting the responsibility where it belongs, squarely on Islam and its evil teachings ?

    Surinder Paul Attri

  18. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Namasivaya,

    Surinderji,
    Namaskar

    Last month I was in Sri Lanka and stayed with the President. I was with a professional group to establish MSW program at the Sri Lankan University. The President and his inner circle informed me that the Tamil terrorism is financed, directed and managed by Christian missionaries and western intelligence agencies. Tiger terrorist leaders are converted Christians. Their war machinery, bombs, explosives and weapons are supplied by western Christian organizations. Most of the Hindu Temples in the north are destroyed by Tigers. Hindu youths are forced to work as terrorists and killed. Those Hindus who negotiate with Sri Lankan leaders are mercilessly murdered by Christian Tigers. During the Tsunami incidents, many Christian organizations have send military supplies under the guise of charity goods. These equipments were assembled by Tigers and used to attack military centers in Colombo. Christian groups in Tamil Nadu and Kerala supply goods to Tigers and provide sanctuary for Tiger terrorists. DMK party is secretly colluding with Christian Tigers and allow them to smuggle illegal drugs, explosives and oil from Tamil Nadu. Indian intelligence agencies are aware of the evangelical connection but their hands are tied by the Sonia gang. Tiger terrorism is not due to Hindu-Buddhist conflict. The real cause is Christian goal of creating social crisis where Christians are a minority. In Burma, Sri Lanka, Nepal and in several India states missionaries are determined to continue their subversive activities and terrorism.
    Dr. Babu Suseelan

    2. My Take:
    Dr. Suseelan Jee:
    Namashkar to you.
    What the leaders of Sr. Lanka are passing on to you, is a bunch of bunkum. It is the biggest diversionary malarky that has come, within the range of my experience. But it cannot conceal the merciless treatment that has been accorded to the Hindu Tamils of Sri Lanka, for more than six decades. Hindus have been literally bull-dozed by the Sinhalese majority community of Sri Lanka. They have been discriminated in areas of education, employment, language, ownership, and all other areas of social life. Tamils repeatedly and peacefully tried with the Sinhalese government, for more than three decades, to have their legitimate rights restored, but had absolutely no success. Consequently, they had no alternative except to take up arms, and that is how LTTE came into being.

    3. I have heard all kinds of rumors & wild stories about LTTE being a Christian Organization. But this rumor is like other rumors, largely unfounded. Christians are no friend of the Hindu ( at least 90 % of the Christians have no use for the Hindu ).

    4. Enclosed herewith below is the story of the desperate plight of the Tamil Hindus of Sri Lanka:
    Surinder Paul Attri

    1. The Tamil people of the island of Ceylon (now called Sri Lanka) constitute a distinct nation. They form a social entity, with their own history, traditions, culture, language and traditional homeland. The Tamil people call their nation ‘Tamil Eelam’.
    As a nation, Tamils have the inalienable right to self-determination, a universal principle enshrined in the U.N. Charter that guarantees the right of a people to political independence.
    Apart from the right to self determination, the Tamil Eelam may also be justified in terms of international law under the concept of reversion of sovereignty and the concept of effectiveness.
    Before a succession of western nations (including the Portuguese, Dutch and the British) ruled the island, there were two distinct kingdoms on the island, the Tamil Kingdom in the north and the Sinhala kingdom in the South.
    For ease of administration, the British amalgamated the two distinct nations into a single entity with its capital in Colombo. The British gave Ceylon independence in 1948, handing over control of the entire island to a Sinhalese government, based in Colombo, which renamed the island Sri Lanka.
    The Sinhala state’s oppression of the Tamil people began in various forms almost immediately, attacking everything that defined the Tamils as a nation.
    A series of laws that discriminated against Tamils were implemented. These included making Sinhala, instead of English, the only official language of the country, i.e. Tamils could not be employed unless they learnt Sinhala. The educational structures were altered to restrict Tamil admissions to higher education. Investment in Tamil areas was minimised.
    Recruitment of Tamils into the security forces was restricted. The Sri Lankan security forces are almost exclusively Sinhalese. The security forces have been responsible for and continue to carry out human rights abuses and atrocities against Tamil civilians on a genocidal scale.
    Sinhala colonisation of traditional Tamil areas was started in the fifties, and was intensified in the eighties with the security forces wiping out Tamil villages and replacing them with Sinhala settlements. Colonisation continues unabated.
    Anti-Tamil rioting, with the active participation of the Sri Lankan security forces, has claimed thousands of Tamil lives. Thousands more suffered torture and rape.
    As the Tamil people sense of helplessness deepened, Tamil politicians advocated a separate Tamil state. In 1977, the Tamil United Liberation Front resolved in its Vaddukoddai Resolution to campaign for political independence on the basis of the Tamil nation’s right to self- determination.
    At the general elections of 1977, the TULF demanded a clear mandate from the Tamil people to launch a national campaign to establish the sovereignty of the Tamil homeland. These elections were effectively a referendum the Tamil speaking people voted overwhelmingly in favour of secession.
    The Tamil call for independence was met by island wide anti-Tamil rioting. The Sri Lankan government forced all elected MPs to take an oath that they would not seek a separate state.
    With all democratic ways to achieve equality having failed repeatedly, an armed struggle for independence began, led by the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE). International Law recognises that the armed resistance of the Tamil people to Sri Lankan rule is lawful and just.
    Today, the LTTE has evolved into a military and political organisation representing the aspirations and hopes of the Tamil people.
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  19. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: Dr. Sobbarao’s letter
    1. Dear Sri Shiv Ji: One of the best ways to propagate Hindutva is by harvesting the minds of younger generation through curriculum during schooling days about hindu tatva through itihasas like Ramayana and Mahabharahta. That was how the cycle of Hidutva was carried on generation after generationin in our hindu society even though foreigners were ruling us for one thousand years. That cycle of propagation of Hidutva through schooling was disrupted by Abdul Kalam Azad as our first education minister after 1947. At that time we the hindus were suffering from such a inferiority complex at that time that we were going out our way to demonstrate to the world that how well we treat muslims and christians and how great we are that way and were in fact looking for the admiration and approval of muslims and christians of our land again and again with oour behaviour at them.

    In that process, muslims and christians and those who hated brahmins without any basis became directors of public education in states, and christian missionaries have started schools and hospitals to promote christian values of being thieves and laiers and thus replaced the hindu values of Satya Meva Jayathe in our society. The christian schools mushroomed in geometrical proportion with time. Those who went to christian schools did well in public service examinations because their english was better and the exames they took was based on mastery of english language than anything else and those who passed those foolish public service exams became IAS officers with no values other than looking upon others who dont know english among hindus with contempt. Meanwhile the funding and facilities were drastically reduced to our hindu schools by Nehru family for three generations since 1947 to 1990. Those who attended christian schools slowly and surely ascended to the seat of power and entered into media, judiciary, academia in India and have started acting with disgust at those who wanted to carry on hindu tatva in our society.

    That is the reason we all will have difficulties to restore hindutva in our society. Therefore, we have to think of creating new schools which teach Hindu Tatva to our younger generation again and again without which Hindu Tatva called as Hidutva will die with us after our life time. We all have to think along these lines and see what we can do. Time, money and power is against us and our cause. We are all swimming against poweful water current. Hope we shall succeed in our own way to restore Hindu Dharma in our own land which is getting fast replaced by adharma and avinithi in our society causing agony and distress to everyone.

    Under the influence of Adharma and Avinithi we the hindus with hindu values are getting harrassed by our government, the christians and the muslims and the socalled secularists during day time while everyone in India are harrassed by night time by musqutos which are multiplying all over India.

    Dhanyavad.,

    Rao
    2. My Take:

    Quote:

    1. Dear Sri Shiv Ji: One of the best ways to propagate Hindutva is by harvesting the minds of younger generation through curriculum during schooling days about hindu tatva through itihasas like Ramayana and Mahabharahta. That was how the cycle of Hidutva was carried on generation after generationin in our hindu society even though foreigners were ruling us for one thousand years. That cycle of propagation of Hidutva through schooling was disrupted by Abdul Kalam Azad as our first education minister after 1947. At that time we the hindus were suffering from such a inferiority complex at that time that we were going out our way to demonstrate to the world that how well we treat muslims and christians and how great we are that way and were in fact looking for the admiration and approval of muslims and christians of our land again and again with oour behaviour at them.

    In that process, muslims and christians and those who hated brahmins without any basis became directors of public education in states, and christian missionaries have started schools and hospitals to promote christian values of being thieves and laiers and thus replaced the hindu values of Satya Meva Jayathe in our society. The christian schools mushroomed in geometrical proportion with time. Those who went to christian schools did well in public service examinations because their english was better and the exames they took was based on mastery of english language than anything else and those who passed those foolish public service exams became IAS officers with no values other than looking upon others who dont know english among hindus with contempt. Meanwhile the funding and facilities were drastically reduced to our hindu schools by Nehru family for three generations since 1947 to 1990. Those who attended christian schools slowly and surely ascended to the seat of power and entered into media, judiciary, academia in India and have started acting with disgust at those who wanted to carry on hindu tatva in our society.

    MY COMMENT:

    That is a description of where we are at, at this point in time. We have a huge pile of mud of Islam & Christianity, in our Hindu backyard, and our Hinduism does not have much space. This shrinking and strangling of the Hindu, is a consequence of the Phoney-Liberalism, that has been underway in India, for at least sixty years. And it is no picnic to purge this Phoney-Liberalism, and liberate our Hinduism.

    3. Quote:

    That is the reason we all will have difficulties to restore hindutva in our society. Therefore, we have to think of creating new schools which teach Hindu Tatva to our younger generation again and again without which Hindu Tatva called as Hidutva will die with us after our life time.

    MY COMMENT:

    Bringing into being Hindu-Schools, requires the support of Hindu population, which we don’t have. At least 80% of the Hindu population of India, is Phoney-Liberal to one degree or another, and Hindu-Schools is NOT their choice.

    Even in the top-notch circumstances ( which we do not have ), producing one generation of Hindu Boys taught in Hindu schools, takes 20 years, and three such generations would require a span of 60 years. In 60 years, Moslems would number 50% of the population of India, and there will be millions more Christians in India, parroting the Phoney-Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    In my assessment, this approach will Not cut the mustard.

    4. Quote:

    . Time, money and power is against us and our cause.

    MY COMMENT:

    This is the conventional color of a wedding gown, but can be altered with use of Un-Conventional Techniques.

    Extreme Situations Require Extreme Solutions.

    5. Quote:

    We are all swimming against poweful water current.

    MY COMMENT:

    Indeed, we are.

    6. Quote:

    Hope we shall succeed in our own way to restore Hindu Dharma in our own land which is getting fast replaced by adharma and avinithi in our society causing agony and distress to everyone.

    MY COMMENT:

    The lessons of both Ramayana & Mahabharat inform us, that to eliminate Adharma, you have to be willing to destroy the Rakshishas. I salute both Ramayana & Mahabharat.

    Hindu has been humiliated & brutalized by ruthless Sullas & Kharistas, for more than 1200 years. Sullas & Kharistas are the biggest Rakshishas of our Kali Yuga. It is time for the Hindu to turn his guns, on the Kali Yuga Rakshishas.

    $ 64,000 Question: Can this be done ?

    Absolutely yes. The Intellectual, Knowledge, Skill, and Financial Resources of the Hindu, are far in excess of corresponding resources of our Kali Yuga Rakshishas. Hindus are Not Organized, and they are certainly not United. But this can be done, if smart techniques are employed.

    There is not a single charismatic Hindu Leader, who can put the Hindu Act together. But there are lots of Smart Hindus out there. We have to find them, and put them to the job of Hinduism Defense, & eradication of our Kali Yuga Rakshishas.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  20. S.P. Attri Says:

    Malaysia: Indian mutiny
    Indian mutiny

    Posted online: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 at 2356 hrs

    Some devotees had been fasting for weeks and shaved their heads. The most zealous pierced their cheeks with skewers or attached large wooden icons to their bodies with dozens of flesh-piercing hooks. On January 23rd tens of thousands of ethnic-Indian Malaysians gathered at the Batu Caves temple outside Kuala Lumpur to celebrate Thaipusam, one of Hinduism’s biggest festivals. In past years more than a million have turned out. This year, although ministers and pro-government newspapers denied it, the crowd was much thinner. Many Malaysian Indians seemed to have answered a call for a boycott, amid rising anger at the way their minority—around 8% of the country’s population—is treated by the government.

    Three days earlier the prime minister, Abdullah Badawi, had sought to appease Hindu anger by promising that Thaipusam would henceforth be a public holiday in the capital of the Muslim-majority country. He announced this at a gathering of 15,000 Malaysian Indians, hoping to show that he still retains their support, despite the emergence in the past year of a radical protest group called the Hindu Rights Action Force, or Hindraf.

    Last November Indians gathering at the Batu Caves on the eve of a Hindraf street march were trapped when the temple’s managers—said to be linked to the Malaysian Indian Congress (MIC), part of Mr Badawi’s ruling coalition—locked the gates and called the police. In the disorder that followed, many were arrested. Even so, the next morning at least 10,000 took part in the Hindraf march, which the police broke up with tear-gas and baton charges.

    In the 50 years of peninsular Malay-sia’s independence from Britain, the ethnic Indians have been more quiescent than the richer, better educated and more assertive ethnic Chinese, who make up about one-quarter of the population. Under an implicit “social contract”, the two minorities, mostly descended from migrant workers, were given citizenship in return for accepting that ethnic Malays and other indigenous groups, together known as bumiputras (sons of the soil), would enjoy privileged access to state jobs and education. All the races have done well from strong economic growth since independence. The Indians and Chinese suffer even lower poverty rates than the bumiputras. But whereas the majority population have, with official help, started catching up with the Chinese in the property and shares they own, the Indians still have few assets. Often they are stuck in rented homes and low-skilled urban jobs.

    The Indians’ sense of missing out on the good life has helped to feed their mood of grievance. But what has most fuelled their anger in the past few years is a feeling that “creeping Islamisation” threatens their religious freedom. The issue that triggered Hindraf’s formation, according to N. Surendran, one of the group’s leaders, was the demolition of a number of “unauthorised” Hindu temples by local governments, often by state workers who were Malays and thus

    Muslims. The big rally in November came a few weeks after a temple in Shah Alam, west of the capital, was demolished just before Diwali, another important Hindu festival, despite the temple committee’s pleas to delay its destruction for a few more days.

    Many of the threatened temples were constructed by migrant workers in colonial times, without formal permission, on plantations or by roads and railways built by the migrants. Now this land is being redeveloped. Hence the drive to demolish them, says A. Vaithilingam of the Malaysia Hindu Sangam, the main association of temples. The authorities could try harder to resolve disputes, he says, but they are too anxious to please rich developers.

    The heavy-handed response to Hindraf’s protests has served to make things worse. Five Hindraf leaders have been detained without trial under a colonial-era security law, and were said to have gone on hunger strike. Hindraf denies the government’s charge that it has links to Sri Lanka’s rebels, the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam.

    With an election expected shortly, Mr Badawi has sought to soothe ethnic Indian anger. Besides declaring Thaipusam a holiday he has promised a cabinet committee to look into poverty among all races. But he may also calculate that the unnecessarily harsh treatment of Hindraf will win his party votes among hardline Malays. If so, he risks helping the extremists on each side peddle the dangerous myth that there is a zero-sum game between the races—and that the way to win it is to take to the streets.

  21. S.P. Attri Says:

    Dear Surinder Ji: Thanks for the trouble you have taken to analyze the thoughts expressed by me in my letter on restoration Hindutva in India.
    As you have put it correctly it is a too complex problem requiring attack and finding sulutions in multiple ways. It is as difficult as dealing witha patient with sepsis, heart failure, liver failure and kindney failure and has anoxic encepahalopaty of the brain besides hypotention refractory to vassopreser agents.

    The biggest hurdle is the attitudes and mentality of our own hindus today and in fact it is it is as dificult as as trying to milk a bull.For eight hundred years we had a common cause of elimination the influence of muslim’s rule on us and then we had another common cause to remove the british and christianity out our country and noe we dont have a commn cause except busy fighting among ourselves how to please the muslims and christians who destroyed national culture and character. These Indian muslims and Indian christians who are none otehr than Indians with foreign gods in their brains with perverted minds.

    Anyway I will know more about myself about what I can do and cannot do when I return to India. Until then whatever I say and not say will be meaningless and will not have any impact on anything.

    With Regards,

    Rao
    2. My Take:
    Dr. Subbarao Kuchibhotla Jee:
    Thanks for your message.
    3. You & I can easily agree that Hinduism Defense ( and Propagation ), is a complex problem. If it had not been complex, it would have been resolved centuries ago.
    4. Quote:
    It is as difficult as dealing witha patient with sepsis, heart failure, liver failure and kindney failure and has anoxic encepahalopaty of the brain besides hypotention refractory to vassopreser agents.
    MY COMMENT: This is medical stuff, even though it is way over my head, still I can make out that it is intricate, except that Hinduism-Defense ( and Propagation ) is even more perplexing. We Hindus have suffered tremendously from the Brutal-Blast of Islamic Brutality & Barbarism, for over 1200 years. I am not sure if this kind of experience has given us Hindus, some inferiority-complex, but I do see signs of “ Stockholm-Syndrome “ amongst some Hindus, especially those who are of the Phoney-Liberal type ( and there are lots of those in India ). Why else would they utter Non-Sense such as:
    “ Islam is good, some Moslems are misguided, who are becoming suicide-bombers ”
    And
    “ Hindu-Muslim Bhai Bhai ?”
    5. Islam good, my foot. Islam is no good. Islam is a Gospel of Hate, whose Allah calls Jehadic-atrocities & pillage and plunder of Kafirs, as lawful & good. Allah claims to be Merciful, but creates an Islamic-Hell, which He is committed to fill with Kafirs ( Non-Moslem Infidels ). How self-contradictory this Allah of Islam is !

    How can a Moslem & a Hindu be Bhai-Bhai ?
    How can a Butcher & his Victim be Bhai-Bhai ?
    How can a Sinner & a Saint be Bhai-Bhai ?
    How can a Bank-Robber & a Bank-Manager be Bhai-Bhai ?
    How can a Knuckle-Head & a Nice-Guy be Bhai-Bhai ?

    Those Hindus who tout this kind of non-sense, are totally off the wall, they are all-wet. They are unable to see Hazrat Mohammad’s plan of building an Islamic-Empire ( it is an empire that is neither lawful nor good, it is bad to the bone ).
    If you do not call Islam Bad, then you will surely be Mis-Naming it.

    6. Quote:
    The biggest hurdle is the attitudes and mentality of our own hindus today and in fact it is it is as dificult as as trying to milk a bull.
    MY COMMENT: My friend, Shri Baljit Rai of Chandigarh, tells me the same trueness:
    “ Eighty percent of the problems of the Hindus, are Hindus themselves. “

    Both yours and Shri Baljit Rai Jee’s observations are very striking, and I concur whole-heartedly with both.

    7. Quote:
    .For eight hundred years we had a common cause of elimination the influence of muslim’s rule on us and then we had another common cause to remove the british and christianity out our country and noe we dont have a commn cause except busy fighting among ourselves how to please the muslims and christians who destroyed national culture and character
    MY COMMENT:
    Yes, it was a common cause for the past 1200 years, but it is still a common cause, even though it is not perceptible to majority of Hindus, because of the Phoney-Liberalism, that has been going on in India, for the last 60 years. In fact, the eradication of Islam & Christianity from India, is even more important now, than it was 1200 years ago. If no brakes are applied, Moslems will number 50 % of the population of India, within 50 more years, and there will be millions more of Christians, who would want to flood India with crosses.

    8. Quote:
    Anyway I will know more about myself about what I can do and cannot do when I return to India.
    MY COMMENT: Dr. Sobbarao Jee: You can do plenty. Hinduism-Defense requires people who have what it takes to do the job. We need guys like you. There are lots of smart Hindus out there. At least some of them are committed to Hinduism-Defense. We need to find them, and get them on-board.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  22. S.P. Attri Says:

    Namaskar! Dharmameva Jayathe!!!

    Thanks for sharing the information re: your posts. I recently read one oof your articles re: Paganism in Europe and atrocities of Christianity on Paganists. It was a good learning for me.

    Sir, can you please share the email id’s of the people you are in touch with. The idea is to slowly create a common platform with which we can show the power of cooperation of like minded Hindus.

    Thanks

    2. My Take:
    Shri Suneel Kotte Jee:
    The name of the Pagan outfit of Europe is ” WCER ( World congress of ethnic religions ) .” Their attitude is defensive, and they don’t like to call themselves as Pagans, as this is a term chosen by the Christians, and is a term of abuse. But I am Not defensive. I told them that I am a Pagan & a Proud-Pagan, and I give Hell to both Islam & Christianity. By the same token, I also consider myself a Kafir & a Proud-Kaifr, and I enjoy putting Islam on the spot.

    3. In the past, I used to send my write-ups to WCER, but now I am too busy dealing with Hinduism stuff, and communicating with our Hindus, in India, UK, and other places.

    4. I do not have E-Mail addresses of the WCER members, but if you want to pursue it, you can call up ” WCER ” and go from there.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  23. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Subbarao Kuchibhotla to me

    show details 7:42 PM (4 hours ago) Reply
    Dear Surinder Ji: Thanks for your comments. First and foremost is to bring people into our fold and for that our voice will be heard only if we become a political force and then media will be after us and we can publisize the public what we are and what our values are and what we stand for and why it is important for us as hindus and the society and for the preservation of India which is fast dying because of deforestation, exponential population growth beyond the capacity for the the earth to withstand and bear with , massive growth of musquotes due to lack of cleanliness and garbage piling up every day after day on the streets, dying villages, polluted air due to cars, and refinaries, polluted water due to dumping of human waste and chimicals by chemical industries with toxic waste into our rivers and pulluted minds because of wrong educational values in schools and vulgar, useless and filthy TV programs as source of entertainemnet. It is important to make the public aware that the on going uncontolled population growth would devastate everyone there all across the spectrum in Indai. That has happened in past sixty years because we we forgot the basic principles of Ramayana which we are suppose to follow in our life time that ie.: all human should apply maximum restrain on Lust, Anger, Jealously, Miserliness and Ego in their lives. Those were the principles on which Hindus lived along the teachings of Ramayana which we have violated and thus resulted into a situation of Pupulation Explosion in India due to lack of restrain on Lust and we dont listen to others that is good because of our ego within us and and we are angry over others because they dont listen even if we say good and are thus frustated.,

    DOnt you think that we should start Rama Rajya and contest for the upcoming election in 2009 because BJP cannoot be trusted and its members have blown up the opportunity when they formed government and betrayed the hindus as well as the nation since it was guided by misguided drunkards like Vajpayee who is know to be alcoholic and has cirrhosis with ascites.

    Thank you.

    Rao

    ——

    2. My Take:

    Dr. Subbarao Jee: Thanks for your message.

    Quote: . First and foremost is to bring people into our fold and for that our voice will be heard only if we become a political force and then media will be after us and we can publisize the public what we are and what our values are and what we stand for and why it is important for us as hindus and the society and for the preservation of India

    MY COMMENT: Everything in this universe has a time & a place. First, we need to put our house in order, put together our Hinduism-Defense Mechanism, by organizing & accumulating our resources, by finding the right kind of people ( those who are competent, excellent, and independent, and those who have in them what it takes to do the job ). It has to be a Forward ( not defensive ) Approach. Once we start winning, everybody will be after us. Success has its own momentum, because people worship the rising sun. As they say “ Success has a thousand Mothers, but defeat is an orphan.”

    3. Quote:

    for the preservation of India which is fast dying because of deforestation, exponential population growth beyond the capacity for the the earth to withstand and bear with , massive growth of musquotes due to lack of cleanliness and garbage piling up every day after day on the streets, dying villages, polluted air due to cars, and refinaries, polluted water due to dumping of human waste and chimicals by chemical industries with toxic waste into our rivers and pulluted minds because of wrong educational values in schools and vulgar, useless and filthy TV programs as source of entertainemnet.

    MY COMMENT: Hindu Civilization is a smart civilization, but not smart enough to realize that Forests are the Resources of India ( and in general of any nation ). Without forests, there is no fresh water, there is no agriculture, there is no flood-control, and so on & on. Our Himalayas are the biggest fresh-water lake of the world, but most of that water ends up in the bay of Bengal, it is not being captured.

    The amount of solar energy falling on India in just one hour, is more than enough to take care of the energy needs of the entire world, for one full year, it is not being captured.

    Vertical-Stacking of solar-mirrors ( I call it the Shiv-Ling technique ) has not been tried so far, vertical stacking of wind-mills has not been tried either, nor has vertical agriculture been attempted. So much energy can be captured in so little horizontal space, with Shiv-Ling technique ( I must admit I have not talked to any Electrical-Engineer about this subject ). I do know that technology of solar-mirrors is advancing at furious speed, in Germany, UK, USA, & at other places. Engineers are already talking about Graphene mirrors, tilt-able, and adaptable mirrors, with multiple efficiency compared with present solar-mirrors. India has four growing seasons, compared with two in the USA. Thus you can see, that India is not a poor country.

    4. Quote:

    which is fast dying because of deforestation, exponential population growth beyond the capacity for the the earth to withstand and bear with , massive growth of musquotes due to lack of cleanliness and garbage piling up every day after day on the streets, dying villages, polluted air due to cars, and refinaries, polluted water due to dumping of human waste and chimicals by chemical industries with toxic waste into our rivers and pulluted minds because of wrong educational values in schools and vulgar, useless and filthy TV programs as source of entertainemnet.

    MY COMMENT: What bugs me most is, the exponential growth of Sulla-Population ( eradication of Sullas is at the top of my priority ). Other areas of pollution (industrial & other ) are also correctible, because technology exists, and there is plenty of capital floating around the world, which is always looking for places to invest. Penny-Pinching economists ( of socialist-thinking ) are not going to attract any of this capital into India.

    Hydrates at the bottom of Bay Of Bengal, have more packed-energy than the entire Oil resources of Saudi-Arabia. Again, penny-pinching economist are not going to attract capital, to harvest these super-abundant energy resources. Our resources of Thorium are phenomenal. Once again, Penny-pinching economists are not going to put enough money into Thorium research, to make India energy-abundant, in the shortest amount of time. Specifically stating, lots of technology can be bought & acquired via technology-transfer, if we are willing to put our money, where our mouth is. It is foolish to try to re-invent the wheel, and waste precious time.

    5. Quote:

    It is important to make the public aware that the on going uncontolled population growth would devastate everyone there all across the spectrum in Indai

    MY COMMENT:

    I would first put an end to the un-controlled growth of Sullas & Kharistas ( Hell with Islam & Christianity in India ) Once the Rakshishas have been eradicated, then we can regulate our Hindu population

    6. Quote:

    DOnt you think that we should start Rama Rajya and contest for the upcoming election in 2009 because BJP cannoot be trusted and its members have blown up the opportunity when they formed government and betrayed the hindus as well as the nation since it was guided by misguided drunkards like Vajpayee who is know to be alcoholic and has cirrhosis with ascites.

    MY COMMENT:

    RAMA RAJYA will certainly arrive, but one thing at a time. First, we Hindus must build up our resources. We must use our areas of strength, and not our areas of weakness. We must use the right kind of people, those who can cut the mustard, and not the knuckle-heads. Once we do that, we shall have thousands of well-qualified Dharama-Defenders ( Dharama-Rakshis ) working for us, building up the strength of our Hindu Order, they shall decimate the evil ideologies of Islam & Christianity in double-quick time. Political strength, is a numbers game. BJP & other political cohorts will line up automatically, once they realize which way the wind is blowing.

    And yes, RAMA RAJYA will definitely emerge at some point in time.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  24. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: Putting our money where our mouth is
    1. S.P. Attri wrote:
    There is not a single charismatic Hindu Leader, who can put the Hindu Act together. But there are lots of Smart Hindus out there. We have to find them, and put them to the job of Hinduism Defense, & eradication of our Kali Yuga Rakshishas.

    Surinder Paul Attri

    Many Jihadis get paid. This is mostly the only way we could have full time workers for Hindutva. We need a money-raising system that can sell itself and get real results.

    2. My Take:
    Yes, that is how it is, and that is how it is going to be, with respect to our Hindu Order as well.

    3. Paisa Khuda To Nahin
    Per Khuda Ki Kasam
    Khuda Se Kum Bhi Nahin

    4. Pen is mightier than sword. But now-a-days, ” Paisa ” is mightier than either the Pen or the Sword.

    5. We Hindus like to defend Hinduism, but we do not want to put our money, where our mouth is. We can’t have it both ways.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  25. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Dear Sri Surinder Ji: Thus far we have gone through Vishada Yoaga and then into Gnana Yoga through our exchnage of thoughts and now we have to enter into Karma Yoga. For that reason, I proposed starting Rama Rajya as a politicla movement in India to capture political power as first step to achieve the goal of Hindu Raksha in India. As I said before the BJP has failed all the hindus and entire India under the drunkard person with cirrhosis Mr. Vajpayee who initially was a communist to start with and a drop out in Inter during his early days, and person of stagnant intelligence Mr. Advani. Both betrayed those who worked hard for Hindutva in the past and in fact both damaged the cause beyond repair and have assembled people of no signifance like Mr. Mahajan around them as they were focussed on capturing the seat of power and getting into the title of prime ministeship in their last days of their lives in India and nothing more.

    I am prepared to invest Rs. One lakh initially for this purpose to see whether it will work as an experimental trial along these lines.

    With Regards,

    Rao

    2. My Take:
    Dr. Sobbarao Jee:
    We can always use more “ Gyan .“ Experts will tell you that, whatever we Hindus tried in the past 12 centuries, did not work for us. We have to try something TOTALLY-DIFFERENT.
    Millions of our brave soldiers, were put to the sword by the Sullas. Hundreds of thousands of our brave Hindu women, took the holy embrace of fire, rather than the touch of Sulla-Brutes. The beastly-barbarity of Islam is recorded on the pages of history. Islam in India, still retains its wild-ferocity. They shamelessly praise Allah for their barbaric victories. Sullas don’t belong in India.

    3. I am 100% for Karma Yoga. My Karma Yoga is based on Doctrine of Reciprocity, that is, Tit For Tat. But we are living in a High-Tech age, and Reciprocity has to be brought to bear astutely ( details are beyond the scope of this short message ).

    4. Vajpayee & Advani are not the problem. We Hindus are the problem. After the demise of Dr. Shyama Prasad Mukherji, Jan Sang had dwindled, to no more than five seats in Parliament. Vajpayee & Advani built up BJP ( successor to Jan Sang ) many times over, after modifying it suitably, to reflect the nature of mandate available from the Hindu population, eighty percent of which is Phoney-Liberal. Vajpayee also put India on the Atomic map. Narsima Rao & his predecessors before him, did not have the guts to do it.
    But Hinduism Defense is not the job of Indian government, nor of BJP. It is job of the Hindu, of every Hindu. Hindu must steel his heart for the fight ahead. India is a Sulla-Infested ( and Kharista-Infested ) country. If the Hindus of the past had used Reciprocity, then we would not lost hundreds of millions of our Hindus, and large chunks of our Hindu territory.

    5. Quote:
    I am prepared to invest Rs. One lakh initially for this purpose to see whether it will work as an experimental trial along these lines.
    My Comment: Dr. Sobbarao Jee: It is a good offer, but build-up of our Hindu Order, is going to require lot more money, and services of lots of competent, committed, and right kind of Hindu people ( details are beyond the scope of this short message ).

    6. That is just about the gist of my thoughts, at this time.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  26. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Namasivaya
    Dear Surinderji,
    The recent discovery of Pakistan ISI Jihadi terrorist camps in Karnataka forest is only the tip of the iceberg. There are several such terrorism training camps in deep woods of Kerala, Tamil Nadu and in Assam. Intelligence agencies are aware of such camps. Marxist, DMK and the Congress government turn a blind eye to such reports.
    Regards
    Dr. Babu Suseelan

    2. My Take:
    Dr. Suseelan Jee: Namashkar to you as well.
    Yes, this ice-berg is Huge, and terrorism in India is much bigger than, what is reported or believed. We Hindus have been butchered, tortured, and terrorized for over 1200 years. We are still being murdered all over the place in India. Islam has a violent history, it has never been peaceful, why should it be different now ?
    3. Quote: . Intelligence agencies are aware of such camps. Marxist, DMK and the Congress government turn a blind eye to such reports.
    MY COMMENT: Sure they are aware of terrorism, but they are Babu-Ridden, they have no interest in eradicating terrorism or Islam’s Plunder Machine. Congress needs Moslem votes, and gives a Nelson’s Eye to Sulla-Violence.

    4. Hinduism Defense ( and Propagation ) is not the job of GOI, nor of BJP, nor of any other political party. Hinduism Defense ( HD ) is the job of the Hindu, of every Hindu. Hindu must steel his heart for the fight ahead.
    My friend, Shri Narain Kataria tells me that:
    “ Hindu does not put out any money, unless he has something personal to gain. “

    5. While Shri Kataria’s observations are flawless, I find this Hindu-Attitude, totally-disgraceful.
    We Hindus must serve causes ( such as HD ), that are bigger than our self-interest. A violent killer ( Sulla ) is on the loose.

    6. Finally, based on my experience ( for whatever it is worth ), Hindu is very patient, but Hindu’s patience is Not Infinite.
    At this point in time, we Hindus are Not going after the Sullas, to take down their Islamic-Fangs. We are not there yet, but we are getting closer.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  27. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. These ‘secularist’ parties are more than “turning a blind eye” to the camps. They are actively protecting them by interfering with the polics and suppressing reports. Deve Gowda and his party are among the worst offenders in this.

    2. My Take:
    Sure they are supporting the Sullas. Deve Gowda is the prophet of the phoney-liberal bunch, can’t take him out of the equation. The “ C “ in Congress has a picture-perfect fit of corruption. But other phoney-liberal parties are not any better. What is the difference between:
    Tweedle-Dum & Tweedle-Dee
    Or between:
    Tweedle-Bad & Tweedle-Awful

    They are all like Rooster Cogburn, bad to the bone.

    3. Those who turn a Nelson’s eye, to the plunder machine of Islam, deserve to be hung like George Nelson. If they think their ambition for votes, can trump the rights of the Hindu, and will not get noticed, then they have learned nothing from history.

    4. A damn-obnoxious truth is, the toleration of these nasty actions of the phoney-liberal bunch, by the rest of the Hindu community. It is most distressing & most miserable.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  28. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Dear Sri Shiv and Surinder Ji: One way I can work for Hiduvata is to learn Bhagavath Geeta by-heart and recitate daily on the roads in villages and mobilize people to understand what is happeneing to us and our nation and by whom. I will start getting tution on Bhagavath Geetha from next week for one month to master that subject matter called as Bharhma Vidaya, Yoga Shastra the devine language with devine power within it to glue the people all across our society. This I intend to do along with Ram Bhajan because Rama Namam will glue the people together. I plan to reecruit about one hundren children for this purpose and support their food and schoolings as the initial pahse of my activity in India. I am writing for your input and from Surinder Ji on this matter.

    With Regards,

    Rao

    2. My Take:
    Dr. Subbarao Jee:
    At the risk of repetition, our methods of the past, however guileless & honest they may be, have not worked for us, and they are not going to help in future. There has been no shortfall of Bhajans, during the last 1200 years. They have not safeguarded us, from the fierce onslaughts of Islam & Christianity. They are quite the reverse of what is required, for the defense & propagation of Hinduism.

    3. Our fight with Islam & Christianity has been & still is Ideological. For 1200 years, we have been victims of Islamic ( and Christian ) Ideological & Physical Aggression. The beastly-barbaric brutality of the Moslem on the Hindu, has to be paid back with Reciprocity. The Hindu not only needs to be, well-prepared ideologically to defend Hinduism, but has to go on the offensive and hit both Islam & Christianity IDEOLOGICALLY, expose both of them royally & meticulously.

    4. The smart Hindu must be knowledgeable about the areas of weakness of both Islam & Christianity, he must hit them where it hurts & stings them the most, he must shred & sunder them apart. If we have the right kind of people, and if we set our minds to it, we can strip both Islam & Christianity naked. The areas of weakness of both Islam & Christianity, are profuse & excessive. Due to Hindu’s lack of regard for the welfare of his Hinduism, Islam & Christianity have enjoyed total immunity from attack. But they are not going to receive, this donation from us in future.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  29. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Sear Surinder Jee:
    You have written very well in a truthful manner and everything you mentioned sounds meaningful. But unfortunately, were all are mesmarized by British Vurus which sedated us by projecting Gandhi as a person who gave us the freedom from British and thus made us to believe that the easy way and lazy way is the only way to achieve unacheivable in life.
    Why are we like what we are today? It is simply because there is a saying “Yadha Raja Thadha Praja” When leaders are crooks and uncrupulous and have no vigor, unenthusiastic, self centered, the people automatically will become like them. Our press is under the control of Christians and Muslims, our entertainment industries are in the contol of muslims and people who dont care for hindu values and our girls are acting and marrying muslims in film industries and our youth are mesmarized with easy money given by uncle sam by working as softwere engineers doing computer work for uncle sam both here and at home and are made rich overnight in a easy way just by studying for four years in college with average intelligence and little grasp of knowlwdge and understanding of life and much more distortions and illusion are getting created as Maya Devi around us.
    In such a setting simple boldness and head on collision cannot result when government itself has become the enemy of the hindus in our hindu land. For example, some died for the cause of Ram Temple in our life time and another person set an example in Orissa what would happen if people convert hindus into christians like Mr. Dara Singh and some took the risk to save the hindu girls from the conspiracies of muslims in Gujrath by participation in riots. Which leader came and supported and came to the rescue of all those who sacrificed for the hindu cause. Some are serving life sentances in jail. Where is mass agitation when such supreme sacrifice was made by those commited themselves for Hindu identity and Hindu Raksha. Advani is still enjoying life as leader of opposition and wants to be peime mininster and Modi is still the chief minister and none of them lifted their little finger for those who sacrifised their lives as the examples cited above.
    We need lions as you said correctly. But what good having a lion following the jackal who one showed another lion (its own shadow) in a well water and made that lion jump into the well and get killed. People are helpless in India and our Hindus became thoughtless and emotionless because of hindus who became the leaders of India cheated them and betrayed the hindus and the nation. They are not sure now whom to trust and whom not to trust. Some like us well settled in USA with no hunger and poverty are made to become permanent settlers by our government people so that crooks can contiue to roost the public. To be honest I am as angry and disappointed as you are, But anger without power is useless and power without anger is also useless. We hindus have become selfish myopic people with no clue about the purpose of our life and are like rice grains that does not stick unless cooked. All these because of the betrayal by the leaders of our nation who are the crooks of first class variety. We are not united because we are sedated by the British Virus system of governance, their education system, their laws which we all follow even today and we communicate with each other in their language and our laws and rules and government and everything we talks, thinks and acts are in their language and we all dress like them and we hold degrees like them and in fact we imitate everything like them. How can we be any hindus any mone unless we change the British system implanted altogether. Please educate me and
    tell me what is the solution to solve this loss of hindu identity of hindus in India.
    Please permit me to say that the hindu Identy was preserved by the Brahmin community of India once upon time during Mauya periodand then onwards, and all those Brahmin community as custodians of Hindu values as described in Vedas is wiped out and they are no more there in India and are made beggers onthe streets today in India now. That is why Hinduism is not there anymore in india. When Bhaminhood is gone then goes along with it the Hindu identity and hindu values and hindu civilization.
    I may be forgiven if i have any said anything wrong or offensive in my expression.
    With Regards,
    Subba Rao
    2. My Take:
    Dr. Subbarao Jee: Thanks for your vote of confidence.
    3. Quote:
    You have written very well in a truthful manner and everything you mentioned sounds meaningful. But unfortunately, were all are mesmarized by British Vurus which sedated us by projecting Gandhi as a person who gave us the freedom from British and thus made us to believe that the easy way and lazy way is the only way to achieve unacheivable in life.
    MY COMMENT:
    Neither the British nor M.K. Gandhi, are the apple of my eye. But because both of them are now history, I do not waste my time on them.
    4. Quote:
    Why are we like what we are today? It is simply because there is a saying “Yadha Raja Thadha Praja” When leaders are crooks and uncrupulous and have no vigor, unenthusiastic, self centered, the people automatically will become like them.
    MY COMMENT:
    The idiomatic expression “Yadha Raja Thadha Praja” is applicable to every society ( Hindus included ), but this expression has a Picture-Perfect Fit on Moslems, who emulate Casanova Hazrat Mohammad ( SH** be upon him ) & his lusty lecherous ways, plus his Inexorable Kafir-Hatred.
    5. Quote:
    Our press is under the control of Christians and Muslims, our entertainment industries are in the contol of muslims and people who dont care for hindu values and our girls are acting and marrying muslims in film industries and our youth are mesmarized with easy money given by uncle sam by working as softwere engineers doing computer work for uncle sam both here and at home and are made rich overnight in a easy way just by studying for four years in college with average intelligence and little grasp of knowlwdge and understanding of life and much more distortions and illusion are getting created as Maya Devi around us.
    MY COMMENT:
    Moslems & Christians will Not be in control of things, once we Hindus get going ( if we ever get going ! ).
    Money is said to be the root of all evil, but money is also the prime-mover, of lots of good in the world.
    6. Quote:
    In such a setting simple boldness and head on collision cannot result when government itself has become the enemy of the hindus in our hindu land. For example, some died for the cause of Ram Temple in our life time and another person set an example in Orissa what would happen if people convert hindus into christians like Mr. Dara Singh and some took the risk to save the hindu girls from the conspiracies of muslims in Gujrath by participation in riots. Which leader came and supported and came to the rescue of all those who sacrificed for the hindu cause. Some are serving life sentances in jail.
    MY COMMENT:
    Both Shri Dara Singh & Sardar Modi are my favorites. I am also 100 % in favor of Re-Conversion of Moslems as well as of Christians, back to Hinduism ( this is called Home-Coming ). But I do not like techniques of Head-On Collisions. We are living in an age of High-Tech & Force-Multipliers, and the Skills of our Hindus are second to none, in the world. We must use the Most-Efficient methods.
    7. If we use Smart-Methods, we would get Smart-Results.
    If we use Dull-Methods, we would get Dull-Results.
    If we use Stupid-Methods, we would get Stupid-Results.
    There are too many Rice-Moslems & too damn many Rice-Christians. It is not much of a trick to pick them up ( that is, Reconvert ), if we use Smart-Methods, and put our minds to it.
    8. Quote:
    . Where is mass agitation when such supreme sacrifice was made by those commited themselves for Hindu identity and Hindu Raksha. Advani is still enjoying life as leader of opposition and wants to be peime mininster and Modi is still the chief minister and none of them lifted their little finger for those who sacrifised their lives as the examples cited above.
    MY COMMENT:
    There will be plenty of Hindu-Raksha once we get going ( if we ever get going ! ). We are not dependent ( nor should be ) upon Advani, nor upon BJP, nor upon any other activity, to bail us out. Everybody has to sweep his own floor. Hinduism-Defense is the job of every Hindu. And we need to find:
    ” RIGHT KIND OF PEOPLE. ”
    9. Quote:
    We need lions as you said correctly. But what good having a lion following the jackal who one showed another lion (its own shadow) in a well water and made that lion jump into the well and get killed. People are helpless in India and our Hindus became thoughtless and emotionless because of hindus who became the leaders of India cheated them and betrayed the hindus and the nation. They are not sure now whom to trust and whom not to trust.
    MY COMMENT: A Lion who is following a Jackal, is not a lion, he is a Jackal. That is why I suggested to my friend Dr. Poojari Jee, not to waste his valuable time on Garbage-Picking. Jackals are not solving Hinduism problems, they are part of the problem. We have to be selective.
    10. Quote:
    Please educate me and
    tell me what is the solution to solve this loss of hindu identity of hindus in India.
    MY COMMENT:
    Dr. Subbarao Jee: The details of my approach are beyond the scope of this short message. I would say this that:
    ” Problems of Hinduism are Solvable. ”
    11. Quote:
    Please permit me to say that the hindu Identy was preserved by the Brahmin community of India once upon time during Mauya periodand then onwards, and all those Brahmin community as custodians of Hindu values as described in Vedas is wiped out and they are no more there in India and are made beggers onthe streets today in India now. That is why Hinduism is not there anymore in india. When Bhaminhood is gone then goes along with it the Hindu identity and hindu values and hindu civilization.
    MY COMMENT:
    Dr. Subbarao Jee: I have nothing against any caste, nothing against Brahmins, nor against Kashatriyas, nor against Vaishyaa, nor against Shudras.
    Caste System was a Social-System. Original caste-system has nothing in common with, the present-perverted caste system (Different castes were composed, of different kinds of technicians ). Even now, we Hindus are composed of technical-labor of various kinds.
    Caste-system ( Birth-Based ) is hierarchical, it is differential, and a relation of In-Equality. It is totally-obsolete. Early in the 1980, I came to the conclusion that, what we Hindus need is:
    ” INTEGRAL-HINDUISM ( that is, Totally-Casteless Hinduism ). ”
    At this point in time, Hinduism is moving, in the direction of Integral-Hinduism, even though at glacial-speed, but the vector is Un-mistakable. It will still take a couple of generations, before this blemish is eradicated from the fair face of Hinduism.
    10. Conclusion: We Hindus do not claim to be perfect, nor are we Exclusivist. Islam & Christianity are Exclusivists, they claim perfection, and their historical record stinks in the nostrils. They have plenty of explaining to do, especially after we get going ( if we ever get going ).
    We are going to deliver hefty & heavy-duty blows !
    11. Quote:
    I may be forgiven if i have any said anything wrong or offensive in my expression.
    MY COMMENT:
    Dr. Subbarao Jee: You have not offended me. I am well aware that you & I have differences of opinion/assessment, but I don’t hold it against you. I hope you will extend the same courtesy to me.
    Surinder Paul Attri

  30. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. ‘Sharia law in UK unavoidable’

    ” Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams, spiritual leader of the world’s
    Anglicans, said on Thursday the introduction in Britain of some aspects of
    sharia, Islamic law, was unavoidable.”

    2. My Take:
    What else can you expect from a superstitious fatalist like Rowan Williams ? His cavalier attitude is most distressing & pathetic. Does he know what the hell he is talking about ? Does he know what it means to the entire British society, it is the entire change-over of the British system. What he is referring to is, the same old fashion appeasement, this time of the Moslems in their country, under the guise/excuse of new reality, and necessity of inter-communal peace in the U.K. It is a very bad choice for the English people.

    3. What peace with Islam are we talking about ? Islamic peace or peace with Islam, is a myth of huge proportions. Islam’s phenomenal hatred of Non-Moslems ( the so-called Kafirs ), is the very fulcrum of Islam’s existence. Islam identifies all Non-Moslems as Ugly-Betties, and as residents of Islamic-Hell. Islam’s eternal hatred of Kafirs, is the source of all tension, between Moslems & Non-Moslems of the world, and peace with Islam, is totally out of the question. The only way to have some semblance of peace with the Moslems in U.K., is with use of force & authority, to convince them that, they can never have Sharia Law or Islamic-System in the largely Non-Moslem U.K.

    4. Has there ever been peace in the entire 1400 years of Islam’s existence ? Islam did not come just to loot & plunder the countries it invaded, but to destroy the existing systems & culture of those countries. Islam is totally uncompromising, and will not rest until it has totally demolished the countries, that it has captured. It does all this in the guise of, eliminating Kufr & Kafirs from those places, which it labels as Dar-Ul-Harb ( the Battle-Ground ), and converts them into Dar-Ul-Islam ( the land of peace ).

    5. During the last 1400 years, the Pit-Bull of Islam has been the greatest problem of the world. Those who are advocating importing Islam or any part of it, need to be aware of the inevitable consequences, that are sure to follow. The consequences are fairly straight-forward, but are not discernible to cuckoos like Rowan Williams. Once you bring a portion of Islam inside the British legal system, how do you keep Islam from taking over the rest of the British system. It would end up as an extreme challenge to the British society. If the British do not watch out, they would end under the permanent slavery of Islam.

    6. The British people will have to change their entire way of life. A nightmare possibility of disaster to the British society, can certainly be in the cards. Importation of Islamic law into the British legal system, is not on the side of the British, it is against the British society.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  31. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: AHIMSA PARMO DHARMA
    1. Ahimsa means not hurting the week. The full quote is AHIMSA PARAMO DHARMAH, DHARMA HIMSA TATHAIVA CA.
    The second part means: “Force in defense of dharma is also noble.”
    People leave out the second part.
    2. My Take:
    Yes, AHIMSA PARMO DHARMA means not hurting the weak. It admonishes us humans, not to kill anybody/any living being.
    The second part of AHIMSA PARMO DHARMA principle, DHARMA HIMSA TATHAIVA CA. ( meaning that “Force in defense of dharma is also noble.” ) that Dr. Rajaram talks about, is seldom cited, let alone practiced by majority of the Hindus, even though in the physical existence of life, it is an issue & outcome of far greater importance. Those of us who are forgetting the second half, are living in their fantasies, and refusing to face the reality of life.
    In fact, even with the best of intention, and with all earnestness in the practice of Ahimsa Parmo Dharma, the practitioners of Ahimsa Parmo Dharma, are doing a Half-A** Job.
    2. The avoidance of violence, in the face of crime and Adharma, leads to inflation & intensification of Adharma, in the world. Lessons of Ramayana & Mahabharat clearly tell us that:
    Rakshishas must be confronted, and that “ Violence is preferable to Cowardice & Inaction. “
    Ahimsa Parmo Dharma ( first part only ) in the face of violence & crime, does additional mischiefs. It turns the Rakshishas into testers, to determine how far they can push the Dharma-Followers, and then eventually to slaughter them.
    3. To forget or ignore the centuries of Sulla-Brutality & Barbarism, against the Hindu, and not give the Sullas a fitting response, out of fear, diffidence, or Ahimsa, or whatever else, is the most Un-Hindu thing to do. It is the most Un-Vedic procedure to follow for a Hindu. It is not worthy of a Proud or Self-Respecting Hindu.
    Surinder Paul Attri

  32. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: reality of what is happening
    1. Namaste all Vedic Friends, I have just returned from the rally in Tirupati for the protection of government control of temples. I will write about this issue separately, and soon. However, another issue that needs attention, and that is also a serious factor in our protection and preservation of the Vedic tradition, is the missionary activity to convert as many Hindus as possible. The following is a most relevant and insightful article on this very topic. I hope it will provide some depth of understanding into the reality of what is happening and what this means as it goes on in India Hari Om and Hari bol, Stephen Knapp (Sri Nandanandana dasa)

    2. My Take:“ Talking about the reality of what is happening, ” what is the nature of reality ?Answer: The reality is pretty-damn bad, very chilling. Hindu’s ship is on the reef, almost out of food, and the Sulla & Kharista pirates are wreaking havoc on the Hindu’s property & his hard-earned resources. Hindu’s house is being plundered & marauded, and the Hindu is asleep.

    3. Hindus are hoping against hope, that some politician, some government agency or activity, will bail them out. But this is a derelict attitude. Depending upon others, contingent upon the goodness of their heart, to do favors to you, or to take care of your vital affairs, is a very bad bet. The politicians, most of whom are phoney-liberal, are rogues, rascals, & racketeers, they are cheating and conning the Hindu royally. They are not at all interested in bailing out the Hindu. Their interest is in plucking as many votes as they can, and in securing their political base & power. They could not care less what happens to the Hindu, the Hindu could go to Hell, for all they care.

    4. It does not occur to the Hindu that, he must take charge of his own destiny. No one else can save the Hindu. He must look at the lay of the land as it is, and not as he would wish it to be.
    In Islam, murdering & robbing innocent people ( which is the greatest evil in Hindu’s Thinking ), is labeled as Jehad/Holy War ( Christianity is exactly alike ), as long as it is done against Kafirs ( Non-Moslem/Non-Christian Infidels ). Allah calls such atrocities as lawful & good, and offers Janat ( Moslem’s Paradise ) for such abominations.

    5. Islam’s gory deeds of murder & slaughter of the Hindu, has been underway for over 1200 years, and Islam’s Mega-Marathon of Barbarism, has been raising Hell for 1400 years. Hindu must undertake the task of defending his Hinduism, and dispel the false notion that Islam ( and Christianity ) is invincible. Neither Islam nor Christianity is invincible, they both can be defeated. They both are rogue-ideologies, they must be demolished, with Hindu Resoluteness.Hindu must control his desire to be considered a nice guy, and not let the rogue-ideologies of Islam & Christianity, go un-challenged.

    6. Hindu must take charge of his destiny, line up his areas of strength, rise above individual-interest ( Blind-Individualism ), and support the cause of his Hinduism, which is much bigger than his own individual interests.
    Hindu must realize that, that he cannot survive without, taking up his Shuster, and going in for Reciprocity ( Tit For Tat ), against both Sullas & Kharistas.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  33. S.P. Attri Says:

    ISLAM: BANE OF A DARK AGE
    By S.P. Attri ( USA )
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    1. During the 1400 years of Islam’s existence, the Moslems have murdered a sizeable chunk of Non-Moslem Infidels ( Kafirs ) of the world. They are now staking their claim to the rest of the Kafir-World. At the present time, the barbarian vandals of Islam, are severely persecuting the Kafirs in their own land ( the Dar-Ul-Islam ), whether it is Pakistan, Bangldesh, or any other Moslem country. Here, Kafirs are forced to surrender their cash, jewelry, and other valuables, for the privilege of being allowed to live.
    Relentless, Unmerciful, and united only in their hatred of the Non-Moslem Kafirs, the evil forces of Violent Islam, struck terror and torture in the heart of Hindu India, for over 1200 years.

    2. As the bane of a Dark Age, Islam has a Violent Agenda, dark rites, and savage tactics, conducted with cunning and cruelty, to subdue Non-Moslem Kafirs. During the last 1200 years, Moslems cut a swathe of colossal destruction, all across India, murdering hundreds of millions of our Hindu people. The High-Definition Barbarism of these Islamic-Invaders, and the whistle of their war-axe, should ring in the ears of Hindus of today. The slaughter of so many of our Hindu people, is strong enough reason to take revenge against the Moslems, and define what it means to be a Hindu, and a resident of Bharat Varsha.

    3. Unfortunately, the Hindu has been betrayed by the crowd of Phoney-Liberal Hindu Politicians. As a result, the uncivilized, uncultured, and inferior morality of Islam, and the cruel, brutal, and insensitive actions of Islam’s followers are succeeding in India. These Phoney-Liberals accept and silently tolerate the military and savagery of the followers of Islam, and allow the hate and offense of the Moslem against the Hindu.

    The Phoney-Liberals hop on their high horses, and utter the most politically correct statements, about the inviolate sanctity of the Islam’s Holy Scriptures, even though these scriptures contain colossal number of verses, about annihilating the Non-Moslem Kafirs. They suspend all disbelief and trust that, things would be just fine, if we just practice democracy and support composite culture. Because of this atmosphere of tolerance, the license to commit murder of the Quranic verses ( and all of it in the name of Allah ) is regarded as minor indignities.

    4. Allah is not only crazy, not only unworthy of being called a god, Allah does not even exist, except in Hazrat Mohammad’s crazy mind. Moslems do not even realize that Islam is Hell, and that to escape the Hell Of Islam, they must leave Islam, and embrace the truth.

    Even though the Hindu politicians seem to be wearing blind-folds, the Hindu population must not act like the Hindus of 9th century. The barbarism, brutality, terrorism, and Kafir-Hatred of Moslems, must not escape the eyes of Alert-Hindus, in the 21st century.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  34. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: Psychotic-Zombies

    1. Writes Dr. Suseelan Jee:
    There are several Communist intellectual zombies in India dreaming of proletitariat revolution to distribute poverty equally among all citizens. Their strategy is to embrace Islamic fascism and Christian fundamentalism and target Hindus for dehumanization. Indian Marxist zombies conceals their perplexity of having to deal with Jihadi terrorism and subversive activities of missionaries. They cannot think of social problems outside of outdated Marxist framework. It is inherent in their Marxist philosophy to turn away from common economic-social-political problems affecting the majority. Indian Marxist zombie’s thought is devoid of reality and action plan makes no sense and functional concept are meaningless.The strength of Marxist intellectual zombies depended on applause from Jihadis and evangelical Christians. Discarded alien Marxist concepts have a permanent influence on their thinking in analyzing current issues. The Marxist leaders follow a five star capitalist lifest yle while distributing poverty and empty slogans to the proletariat.
    2. My Take:
    Yes, many Communists are Zombies all right, but I am not so sure of their intellectualism. Their deductions are so absurd & demented that, most logical people would consider them as psychotic. Therefore, instead of Intellectual-Zombies, a better fit would be Psychotic-Zombies. They all are intoxicated with Marxism, and obsessed with Anti-Hinduism.
    3. Along with Sullas & Kharistas, Communists ( Zombies and Non-Zombies ) need to be thrown out of India. Their presence in India is nauseating, they are gutter-rats, and their actions & affiliations are disgusting. Sweepingly, Communists label all religion to be an opium of the masses, but when talking about India, they put a sticker of “ Opium “ only on Hinduism, not on Islam, nor on Christianity. Communists exonerate both Islam & Christianity, and address them both as, totally innocent of Opiate-Influence.
    4. Infatuated with strong Anti-Hindu Bias, Communists conclusively accept the claims of Islam & Christianity, as Religions of Peace. They come out with outlandish explanations, for the violence of Moslems & Christians against the Hindu. Citing Godhra as an example, with a cold-shoulder shrug they argue that, Hindu Fundamentalists did something to Insult Islam…like arguing over the price of a cup of tea, with a Moslem vendor. This argument must have been Highly-UnIslamic & grim enough to provoke the Moslems, to burn alive 46 Hindu pilgrims aboard the train. Communists consider this Half-A** assessment as fair-minded & impartial.
    5. This kind of Absurd Anti-Hindu reasoning of the Communists, lends potent encouragement to Sullas & Kharistas, to plan terror strikes at Hindus & Hindu institutions. Communists do an additional mischief by, manufacturing permissive excuses for Moslem-Terrorism, and thereby conferring legitimacy to their terror-warfare against the Hindu. They explain away the terror-actions of the Moslems, as the reactions of impoverished & poor masses ( mostly Sullas ), against exploitation by the Hindus. Inevitable consequence is Intensification of raids & strikes against Kafir-Hindus, by the faithfuls of Islam.
    6. These illogical & irrational explanations are the product of mentally-unstable & psychotic individuals, who pass over the barbaric actions of the Moslems, and justify them under explanations of poverty, as the real cause.
    It can be seen that nutty & psychotic minds are needed, to come out with these kinds of clarifications & explanations, that the Communists produce.
    7. Poverty-Excuse comes in handy, to explain other outcomes of Islam as well. Poverty & Illiteracy of the Moslem-Youth, “ Forces “ them to mis-interpret Islam. The blame has to go to the Kafir-Hindu, for keeping these Moslem-Youth, perpetually poor & illiterate. It is this Hindu action, which compels the Moslem-Youth to mis-interpret the peaceful religion of Islam, and take to Un-Islamic activities, such as terror strikes against the Hindu.
    8. Same causative-factor must have been the reason, over 1400 years of Islam‘s Life, for motivating Moslems to take to Jehad ( Holy-War ) of Revenge, against the Hateful-Kafirs of the world.
    Anybody who believes this kind of Horse-Sh**, can believe just about anything.
    Surinder Paul Attri

  35. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. UNITED KASHMIR FRONT & UNITED KASHMIR YOUTH FRONT
    Respected and dear warriors, please welcome United Kashmir Front which will be the political Party registered in J & K solely for the purpose of taking power from the terrorist supporters.
    Currently convenor is Manish a youth leader and Kashmiri who is gathering support and other necessary things for the party. It will also have United Kashmir Youth Front which will usually under take youth activities which are badly needed in Kashmir. The youth wing will only consist of Right Kind Of People (RKOP’s) the term which I and Surinder Ji often use. Message is loud and clear.
    Surinder ji, Dr. Sharma, Mohan Ji, Mayank bhai, Babu ji, and other warriors please give your support and blessings to Manish to carry out his duties for motherland.

    2. My Take:
    How much further do the Hindus of Kashmir need to be slaughtered, brutalized, and humiliated by the Sullas, before the Hindus of Kashmir, and of the rest of India & of Diospora, call their pride & self-respect into action, and take down Islam’s Fangs in Kashmir ?

    3. Are we Hindus going to preserve & protect our Hinduism and our Vedic-Guard, or have we abandoned any concept of counteracting the sickening, unmitigated barbarism of Sullas in Kashmir ?

    4. What is the stratagem of Manish & his Kashmiri Youth Front ( of RKOPs ) ?

    Surinder Paul Attri

  36. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: Sharia Laws in U.K.
    1. It’s a result of the mindset created by the old but more active than ever Christian degenerated principle of «giving the other cheek».It also might be a sign of a given tendency, amongst some Christian intellectual elite, to sympathize with Islam, because Islam is seen by some Christians as the younger brother (which in fact it is), sharing the same Semitic universalistic spiritual root and the same intolerance towards whichever is not Abrahamic, and eager to impose on all society a given set of repressive values. Some Christians feel somehow «avenged» by the Muslim puritanical and intolerant violence, because the slaves of Allah are now doing what many Christians would like to do, if they had the power, like in the Middle Ages.One way or another, one thing is for sure: the attitude of this priest is another demonstration that Christianity is still the worst venom that ever entered Europe.
    L – R
    —————————————
    2. My Take:
    At a fundamental level, there is no difference between Islam & Christianity, they are two sides of the same coin, and their historical record confirms this delineation.
    And Sharia laws are Not un-avoidable in U.K., unless the British becomes completely passive & defeatists. Sharia is very bad for all societies, and must not be allowed to encroach upon other countries.
    3. Moslems claim that Sharia ( Islamic Law, based on Quran, Hadith, and Sunnah ), expresses the highest & best goals for all societies, and it is the will of Allah. Actually, it is the will of Hazrat Mohammad, who invented these laws. Mohammad was power-hungry, & a jealous-maniac, and imposed excessive punishments of Sharia. The Sharia laws do not offer any dignity to humanity, and must not be allowed to encroach upon Non-Moslem societies. Some examples of excessively harsh Sharia laws follow.
    4. Sharia laws command that, drinkers & gamblers be whipped. In Islamic countries, violators are caned & lashed. Still there are plenty of drinkers & gamblers in Islamic countries.
    5. Sharia laws allow husbands to beat their wives, even if they fear highhandedness in their wives. In Saudi Arabia, Islamic scholars show sample rods that, husbands may use to hit their wives. In Islamic countries, there is copious amount of domestic violence. There are many negative effects of Sharia laws on Moslem women. They restrict women’s social mobility & their rights.
    6. Sharia Laws count women’s testimony half that of men. Far more women than men, are stoned to death for adultery, in Islamic countries.
    7. Sharia laws allow injured-plaintiff, to exact legal revenge…physical eye for physical eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, & wounds equal for equal. In Islamic countries, these revenge-punishments are carried out. Still there is plenty of crime in Islamic countries.
    8. Sharia laws command that, a male & female thief, must have a hand cut off. This command is carried out in Islamic countries. In spite of the harshness of this command, there is plenty of thievery in all Islamic countries.
    9. Sharia commands that highway robbers be crucified or mutilated. In Islmaic countries, where this command is carried out, many innocent people have been tortured for crimes they did not commit.
    10. Sharia commands that homosexuals must be executed. In spite of relentless carrying out of this command, there is plentiful amount of homosexuality in all Islamic countries.
    11. Sharia commands that unmarried fornicators be whipped & adulterers be stoned to death. Unmarried fornicators & fornicatresses are whipped & stoned in Islamic countries. In spite of this, there is abundant amount of fornication, in all Islamic countries.
    12. Sharia orders death for Moslem & Non-Moslem critics of Mohammad, Quran, & Sharia.
    FATWA warrants of execution are issued by Mullahs & Maulvies of Islam.
    Islam orders execution of Apostates. Apostates are those who criticize Islamic clergy, or Mohammad, or Quran.
    13. Islam commands aggressive & unjust Jehad ( Holy War ). Women & children can be enslaved & sold. Jehadists can have sex with captured women. Captured men can be killed, enslaved, ransomed, or sold.
    14. Conclusion: Islam is like rooster Cogburn, bad to the bone. Its Sharia is a nightmare & it cannot be reformed. When Sharia & Islam are perfect to begin with, where is the necessity of reforming them ? Moslems cannot deny Quran or Hadith, in order to reform Islam. That would be apostasy.
    It is futile to argue tolerance with Moslems. Islam & its Sharia degrade society & suffocate Moslem people.
    In spite of the insane laws of Islam, a black market of alcohol, opium, other drugs, operates in every Islamic country.
    Sharia must not be allowed to encroach upon Non-Moslem societies.
    Surinder Paul Attri

  37. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: HINDRAF (Hindu Right Actions Group)
    Dear All,

    I happened to chat with lots of people in HINDRAF (Hindu Right Actions Group) of Malaysia and probalbly lots of the cadres chatted with me.

    To my agony the name is only Hindu and many of them are fighting under a secular banner not understanding what is going on in Malaysia. They are saying a lot about Gandhigiri and in a way Chutiya giri (sorry seniors for using this).

    Though some of them approached me for Hindutva but more or less its secular organisation. Can any of the Hindraf cadres be taught the real problem.

    Dr. Shiv Kumar Poojari

    2. My Take:
    Dr. Poojari Jee:

    The people of HINDRAF that you chitchated with, come into view as, Phoney-Liberals & Gandhi-type Defeatists. They don’t have a clue about Islam, and about the nature of the enemy they are confronting. They are not RKOPs ( Right kind of people ).

    3. The Malaysian Hindus will have to find RKOP, othewise they won’t get any where in their effort.

    4. We may have to find RKOPs for them, after we get going in India.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  38. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: Despondent plight of the Hindus in Malaysia
    1. Hindus around the world ( from India & Diospora ) need to stand together as one group, to act against the victimization of the Hindu, at any place on earth.
    It is no secret that Hindus are being kicked around the world, nearly every place on earth, in India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Caribbean, Fiji, Africa, and Malaysia. Hindus must ponder on how to counteract this monster of general victimization of the Hindu.

    2. The Islamic Government Of Malaysia ( IGOM ) is intensifying its Anti-Hindu ( and Anti-Indian ) treatment, to irrational levels. It wants to totally eradicate the Hindu minority ( ethnic-cleansing ) from Malaysia, without trumpeting its slogan of “ Malaysia For Malaysian-Moslems Only. “

    Hindus are slowly being pushed out of Malaysia. IGOM has been demolishing Hindu temples, the tearing down of Hindu temples continues to this day. Hindus are being denied funeral rites & are being shout out of jobs.

    3. It is rumored that IGOM will discontinue work permits of Indian workers, at the expiration of their present permits. While IGOM is employing outrageous & obnoxious measures against the Hindus of Malaysia, Malaysia continues to enjoy business access to Indian markets. Indians also continue to travel to Malaysia, to sustain its tourist industry, and fatten its treasury. Now GOI is offering to train Malaysian Security Forces. Why are we strengthening IGOM economically & militarily, when these assets are being employed against us Hindus ?

    4. Is there a reason why GOI is acting as a silent spectator, to these outrageous actions of IGOM ? Answer: Yes, there is. The corrupt & depraved GOI is afraid of offending the Moslems of India. The Phoney-Liberal politicians of India, who are no friend of the Hindus, also do not want to make an issue of it.

    5. Even though GOI would do next to nothing, to relieve the plight of the Hindus of Malaysia, individual Hindus can take some actions. They can:

    a. Boycott Malaysian products in India

    b. Boycott Malaysia as a tourist destination

    c. Deny business access to Malaysia & Malaysian outfits.

    6. Above all, Hindus must ponder on how to counteract, this general victimization of the Hindu.

    The Phoney-Liberal politicians of India are bringing shame upon India.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  39. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Wikipedia defies 180,000 demands to remove images of the Prophet
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/feb/17/wikipedia.islam
    * Caroline Davies
    * The Observer,
    * Sunday February 17 2008

    Wikipedia, the free online encyclopaedia, is refusing to remove
    medieval artistic depictions of the Prophet Muhammad, despite being
    flooded with complaints from Muslims demanding the images be deleted.

    More than 180,000 worldwide have joined an online protest claiming the
    images, shown on European-language pages and taken from Persian and
    Ottoman miniatures dating from the 14th, 15th and 16th centuries, are
    offensive to Islam, which prohibits any representation of Muhammad.

    But the defiant editors of the encyclopaedia insist they will not bow
    to pressure and say anyone objecting to the controversial images can
    simply adjust their computers so they do not have to look at them.

    The images at the centre of the protest appear on most of the European
    versions of the web encyclopaedia, though not on Arabic sites. On two
    of the images, Muhammad’s face is veiled, a practice followed in
    Islamic art since the 16th century. But on two others, one from 1315,
    which is the earliest surviving depiction of the prophet, and the
    other from the 15th century, his face is shown. Some protesters are
    claiming the pictures have been posted simply to ‘bait’ and ‘insult’
    Muslims and argue the least Wikipedia can do is blur or blank out the
    faces.

    Such has been the adverse reaction, Wikipedia has been forced to set
    up a separate page on its site explaining why it refuses to bow to
    pressure and has also had to set up measures to block people from
    ‘editing’ the pages themselves.

    In a robust statement on the site, its editors state: ‘Wikipedia
    recognises that there are cultural traditions among some Muslim groups
    that prohibit depictions of Muhammad and other prophets and that some
    Muslims are offended when those traditions are violated. However, the
    prohibitions are not universal among Muslim communities, particularly
    with the Shia who, while prohibiting the images, are less strict about
    it.

    ‘Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia with the goal of representing all
    topics from a neutral point of view, Wikipedia is not censored for the
    benefit of any particular group.

    ‘So long as they are relevant to the article and do not violate any of
    Wikipedia’s existing policies, nor the law of the US state of Florida
    where Wikipedia’s servers are hosted, no content or images will be
    removed because people find them objectionable or offensive.’

    The traditional reason given for the Islamic prohibition on images of
    prophets it to prevent them from becoming objects of worship in a form
    of idolatry. But, say the editors, the images used were examples of
    how Muhammad has been depicted by various Islamic sects through
    history and not in a religious context.

    My Take:
    1. My un-bounded salutations go to, the brave European outfit called ” Wikipedia, ” who even though they are well aware of Allah’s ( and Sulla’s ) wrath, and Islam’s barabaric record of 1400 years, of gory deeds of murder, rape & plunder of Kafirs, yet are fiercely defending the Freedom Of Expression, and not succumbing to the threats & blackmail, of Sullas around the world.
    2. Wikipedia Boys: Keep up your good work, and keep exposing the fiendish deeds of Barbarian-Islam.
    Surinder Paul Attri

  40. S.P. Attri Says:

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    The “deadly triangle of LTTE+ NGO+ Christian extremists exposed.

    Due to prompt action by the Seeduwa Police in setting up road blocks, police were able to arrest the person suspected to have transported them to Mabole area in a van bearing the licence plate number 57-7399 at the road block at Kala Oya around 1 p.m. The arrested person was later identified as a pastor of a church in Mannar which is a branch of Four Square Church, a Christian evangelist group.

    Police investigating the seizure of suicide jackets in Mabole on February 1, two days prior to Independence Day celebrations, have arrested 3 Christian priests from a fundamentalist religious sect and recovered several suicide kits.
    Under interrogation the priests have confessed that they had brought down around 30 suicide cadres from Mannar to Kandy and Nuwara Eliya.
    They also admitted to transporting several suicide kits and weapons to these areas.
    Events unfolded when Civil Defence Force personnel K.M. Gunapala and R.M. Gunawardena who were deployed in the Mabole area arrested a suspected LTTE cadre close to the premises of the Colour Guard Company around 8.30 a.m. on February 1.

    They were able to arrest the suspect Velupillai Gangadharan after a women tipped off them about two people who had left a parcel there at Mabole. The parcel contained two suicide kits, eight detonators, eight batteries, and six remote controlled devices. The parcel had been transported to Mabole to be given to a person called Suresh.

    Due to prompt action by the Seeduwa Police in setting up road blocks, police were able to arrest the person suspected to have transported them to Mabole area in a van bearing the licence plate number 57-7399 at the road block at Kala Oya around 1 p.m.

    The arrested person was later identified as a pastor of a church in Mannar which is a branch of Four Square Church, a Christian evangelist group.

    The pastor had divulged that he had dropped four more people in Matale and Nuwara Eliya prior to his arrival at Mabole to drop two other people on February 1. The suicide jackets they brought to Mabole had been given to them by a person from Nuwara Eliya.

    Police who conducted further investigations into the incident also revealed that the Christian priest identified as Nagulan had on previous occasions transported arms to Colombo concealed inside the seats of his van. After searching the priest’s church at Pahankammukotte in Mannar, security forces were able to recover three suicide kits, two claymore mines and three magnet bombs.

    Investigations are currently continuing into the involvement of other priests and Christian extremist groups in transporting suicide bomb kits to the south.

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  42. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Muslim call to adopt Mecca time: BBC

    Magdi Abdelhadi

    April 21, 08

    Muslim scientists and clerics have called for the adoption of Mecca time to replace GMT, arguing that the Saudi city is the true centre of the Earth.

    Mecca is the direction all Muslims face when they perform their daily prayers.

    The call was issued at a conference held in the Gulf state of Qatar under the title: Mecca, the Centre of the Earth, Theory and Practice.

    One geologist argued that unlike other longitudes, Mecca’s was in perfect alignment to magnetic north.

    He said the English had imposed GMT on the rest of the world by force when Britain was a big colonial power, and it was about time that changed.

    Mecca watch

    A prominent cleric, Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawy, said modern science had at last provided evidence that Mecca was the true centre of the Earth; proof, he said, of the greatness of the Muslim “qibla” – the Arabic word for the direction Muslims turn to when they pray.

    The meeting also reviewed what has been described as a Mecca watch, the brainchild of a French Muslim.

    The watch is said to rotate anti-clockwise and is supposed to help Muslims determine the direction of Mecca from any point on Earth.

    The meeting in Qatar is part of a popular trend in some Muslim societies of seeking to find Koranic precedents for modern science.

    It is called “Ijaz al-Koran”, which roughly translates as the “miraculous nature of the holy text”.

    The underlying belief is that scientific truths were also revealed in the Muslim holy book, and it is the work of scholars to unearth and publicise the textual evidence.

    But the movement is not without its critics, who say that the notion that modern science was revealed in the Koran confuses spiritual truth, which is constant, and empirical truth, which depends on the state of science at any given point in time.

    2. My Take:

    The Moslems demand to replace GMT with Mecca, is the biggest joke, if not a shaggy-dog story.

    3. The justification used, is the direction & place, that Moslems use to pray, and is designated as Lijaz-Al-Quran ( that is, miraculous nature of Quran ), and that this scientific truth is revealed in Quran itself.

    4. What scientific truths are revealed in Quran ?

    Quran says that earth is flat, Allah has stretched it out like a carpet, and has put mountains on it, like paper-weights. Seven planets ( Moon, Mercury, Venus, Sun, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn ) move around it.

    5. At sunset, the Sun goes and prostates itself at the feet of Allah, and next morning it takes the permission of Allah to rise again…and so on and on.

    Remember, these are the words of Prophet and of Allah.

    6. The Moslems credulity & silence, in the face of this Quranic nonsense, reflects on the judgment of Moslems, all these 1400 years.

    Commonsense tells us to toss in trash, Quranic nonsense in entirety, and reject Moslem demand to replace GMT with Mecca.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  43. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: The Phoney-Baloney of Sufism
    1. Shri R. K. Ohri deserves my heartiest compliments for exploding the biggest myth among the common and even well educated Hindu intellectual class that Sufism is neither Hindu nor Islamism and is primarily a bridge between Hindus and Muslims.

    This well researched and well documented article dispel the wrong notions about Sufism in the minds of Hindu intelligentsia.

    SURESH MAHESHWARI

    2. My Take:

    Yes, indeed.

    The more clearly the Hindu understands the workings of Islam, the more likely he is to survive. Islam imposes its hegemony on Kafirs ( Non-Moslsem Infidels ), by military and non-military means ( by posing the wolves of Islam as sheep ), truth is held back, to promote the aims of Islam.

    3. Yes, the Sufis advocated Jehad ( Moslems Holy War against Kafirs ), their preaching was for the sake of preserving the religion of Islam, and for strengthening the laws of Islam. The edifying words of the so-called peaceful Sufis, were set upon a Holy War ( Jehad ) in Hindustan. In other words, the Sufis repeated the chapter of Islamic-Victory. Thus both the Jehadi-Swordsmen and Sufis of Islam, brought the terrorist creed of Islam, to every Non-Moslem country.

    4. Islam promises very attractive rewards to its Islami Mujahid-Sipahis ( Jehadi-Soldiers of Islam ):

    a. Islam recognizes Plunder as the Birth-Right of every Mujahid, Islam totally frees the mind of the Mujahid, from the prickings of conscience. Says Allah:

    ” Eat ye the spoils of war, they are lawful, pure, and good for you. ”

    b. In the plunder, the males among the defeated Kafirs are enslaved, the females are inducted into Mujahid’s Harems ( when not sold out in the slave market ).

    Notice this that Islam decrees in unmistakable language that, plunder is lawful, pure, and good. Notice also that Plunder is natural to Robbers, but is totally compatible with the religion ( ideology ) of Islam, as well as with the laws of Islam, which the Sufis support.

    5. Thus the two components of Islam, the Mujahid-Sipahis & the Sufis of Islam, hang together.

    The colossal slaughter of Kafirs, carried out by the soldiers of Allah, is described in Islam, as the greatest duty of a Mussalmaan. A pacifist-Mussalmaan, is not a Mussalmaan at all. Jehad is the way of Allah.

    Hazrat Mohammad stated that:

    ” The portals of heaven, lie under the shadows of sword. ”

    6. The hundreds of millions of Kafirs, that have been slaughtered by the Mujahid-Sipahis of Islam, should make us Hindus pause & reflect. This is because at this very time, the Mujad’s Knife is being sharpened, for the heads of millions of Kafir-Hindus.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  44. S.P. Attri Says:

    1. Dear All:

    I am afraid the brain cells and human genes get damaged and lead to lunacy if you pray to God with your face towards Mecca. It is amazing that Muslims believe in the moral authority of Muhammad who was a debauch and womaniser. He was the seventh century Casanova.
    If today they demand to adopt Mecca time tomorrow they will cry to declare friday as public holiday on a global scale.

    2. My Take:

    Yes, indeed.

    The brain cells not only get damaged, they disappear, if you pray facing Mecca. Moslems also practice In-Breeding ( Marriage with near-kindred ), in the interest of Islamic-Harmony, but In-Breeding does not go to bat for Moslems, it does not lend a helping-hand to their already deteriorated & diminished brain cells. Is it any wonder that every Moslem country is backward, stuck in reverse gear. Yet, the Moslems dismiss all this evidence, as scientific nonsense, and refuse to walk away from Islam.

    3. Hazrat Mohammad, the Mr. Casanova of Arabia, pushed sexual-boundary to Janat ( Moslem’s Paradise ) for his Moslems, where each Moslem is pledged ( with word of Allah’s honor ) 72 Houries ( Big-Bosomed & Doe-Eyed Fairies: Allah’s whores for each Moslem ).

    4. But in spite of these charming & enchanting rewards, for each Moslem, at the end of the day, when all is said & done, and after the bootless & useless teachings of Hazrat Mohammad, have been impinged on the brains of Moslems, what did Hazrat Mohammad end up with ?

    Answer: A race of evil people, a bunch of worthless, cold-blooded killers, trained by Hazrat Mohammad to kill Kafirs ( Non-Moslem Infidels ), to march them off to Jhanam ( Islam’s Hell ). But degraded & dishonorable guys like Hazrat Mohammad, do not feel the least bit embarrassed at this terrible outcome of his teachings.

    5. Moslems are not smart enough, to free themselves from the terrible insanity of Islam. Civilized societies of the world, will have to clean up, the terrible mess that Casanova Hazrat Mohammad has created. It is going to be a big job, and it shall be a messy clean-up. And I kid you not !

    Surinder Paul Attri

  45. S.P. Attri Says:

    Is Islam in Global Flux?
    – Laina Farhat-Holzman
    29 Apr, 2008

    We tend to think of people being conservative about leaving the faith of their childhood. However, there have been times in history that a religion gained – or lost – large numbers. Apparently Islam is in such a period of growth, but at the same time experiencing an exodus of the disgruntled.
    During the later years of the Roman Empire, millions of people abandoned the polytheistic state religion and converted to new competing religions: Mithraism, Judaism, and the young Jewish cult of Christianity. This free marketplace of religion ended with the accession of Emperor Constantine, who mandated Christianity as the only tolerated faith and all others to be persecuted.
    Islam began as a small cult that succeeded beyond all expectations because the powerful empires of the day (Persia and Byzantium) were weakened by long, expensive conflict. The Arabs unexpectedly swept over formerly Roman Christian and Jewish North Africa and forced mass conversion. The same was true for the conquest of Persia and across Central Asia, where the Zoroastrians, Buddhists, and Hindus were persecuted.
    After a thousand-year monopoly, the conversion of masses of people from the Catholic Church to dissenting sects (Protestants) was the consequence of political ferment in Europe and the advent of the printing press, which broke the monopoly of Catholic learning.
    For the modern Western world, over a 400-year period, religion has lost the arm of state compulsion. Most of us today are free to believe, not believe, or shop around for a faith that suits us. We certainly do this in the United States; religion is a marketplace.
    But what of Islam, which advertises itself as the world’s fastest-growing faith? It may well be that it is also entering into a phase of losing followers disgusted with its current phase of militant fundamentalism and bigotry. This defection is particularly brave in countries with Muslim governments that execute defectors (apostates). The following are some numbers on this phenomenon, provided by Andrew Walden, editor of the Hawai`i Free Press in Hilo, Hawaii (andrewwalden@email.com).

    Italian ex-Muslim Magdi Allam’s very public baptism by Pope Benedict on Easter Sunday made headlines. According to Walden, he is not an anomaly. He says that Muslims are leaving Islam in droves. The baptism of Allam was an act of defiance in the face of Islamic threats, among them threats by Osama bin Laden.
    In Africa, Islam used to represent Africa’s main religion and there were 30 African languages written in Arabic script. The number of Muslims in Africa has diminished to 316 million (out of a population of almost 1 billion), half of whom are Arabs in North Africa. (See Ahmad al-Qataani, Interviewed by al-Jazeera in 2006.)

    In Iran as many as 1 million people have surreptitiously converted to Evangelical Christianity in the last five years, according to Pastor Hormoz Shariat (Google him), who claims to have converted 50,000 of them through his U.S.-based Farsi-language satellite ministry. The Iranian parliament is debating the death penalty for conversion.
    In Iraq, a similar phenomenon is growing. The March 4th New York Times reports: “After almost five years of war, many young people in Iraq, exhausted by constant firsthand exposure to the violence of religious extremism, say they have grown disillusioned with religious leaders and skeptical of the faith that they preach.”
    In southern Russia the same pattern is emerging. According to Roman Silantyev, executive secretary of the Inter-religious Council in Russia, two million Muslims converted to Christianity and as many as 100,000 have converted to Christianity in post-Soviet Kyrgyzstan.
    In Kashmir, victim of Islamist war, evangelicals report thousands of sub-rosa converts. An Indian newspaper headline reads: “Urban Muslim Youth Out to Junk Faith.”
    Palestinians, after decades of terrorist rule, are being quietly converted, holding in-home services to avoid detection. Says one evangelist: “I’ve been working among these people for thirty years, and I promise you I’ve never seen anything like this.”
    The London Times estimates 15% of Muslims living in Western Europe have left Islam — 200,000 in the UK alone. Those who leave often face harassment, threats, and attack, but they are leaving.
    This seems to be another era of religious defections in the face of very ugly religious warfare. We have been there before.

    2. My Take:
    Moslems ough to have shoved off Islam long ago. Even at this late date, it is smart of Moslems to bid farewell to Islam.

    3. Hazrat Mohammad himself had stated that, Islam won’t last beyond 14 centuries. This is the KISMET ( pre-destination ) of Islam.
    Moslems cannot keep putting off farewell to Islam. The time to do it is Now. The debasement & vitiation of societies, that Islam has brought upon the world, during the last 1400 years, must make Moslems sick of Islam, and the Non-Moslems nauseated with the Chaos that Islam, has brought on the world.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  46. S.P. Attri Says:

    Subj: Smuttiness of Pakistan
    On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:32 AM, bk chaudhari wrote:

    Bhai Sahib

    Sat Sri Akaal

    Here is an Ode to a Country with severe pangs of birth (destruction too) still looming around:

    President PARESHAANI

    Prime Minister GILANI (MULTANI)

    Army Chief KIYANI

    Speaker ZANANI

    Magar Ata na roti na pani

    Yahi hai kambakht Pakistan Teri KAHANI

    BKC

    My Take:
    1. COMMENTS ( with due apologies to Dr. Sir Mohammad Iqbal ):

    SARE JAHAN SE BADTAR HAI PAKISTAN HAMARA

    HUM GADHEY HAI USKE, WOH ASTBAL HAMARA

    Surinder Paul Attri

  47. s.p. attri Says:

    Subj: Moslems conversion to Christianity
    1. Sh. Surrinderji,
    I was just wondering why it is that all Muslims are adopting Christianity. Why no Muslim is adopting Hinduism.
    Mohan
    2. My Take:
    Shri Mohan Jee:
    This does not astound me at all. It designates the level of conversion effort, on the part of Christians vis-à-vis Hindu conversion efforts. It does not represent the superiority of Christianity over Hinduism, or the preference of Moslem-Converts for Christianity.

    3. Both Islam & Christianity are Gospels Of Hate, and basic thinking of both Moslems & Christians is extremely similar. Both Moslems & Christians are seething with anger, at the sight of Kafirs. Both would rip the heads of Kafirs, to covert them to Christianity ( or Islam ). The blaze into conversion business, with full efforts. Corresponding Hindu conversion effort is mighty little or nill.

    4. A reasonable & valid question might be:
    “ Why don’t the Hindus make a serious conversion effort ? “

    But since you did not ask this question, I won’t address it.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  48. s.p. attri Says:

    1. N.S.Rajaram to me
    show details 5:42 PM (3 hours ago) Reply

    I have to disagree. Most converts don’t convert for theological reasons. Muslims, like Christians don’t go deep into the scripture or the theology, but the image. christianity has a better image than Hinduism. The educated and the elite among the thoughtful Muslims gravitate towards Hinduism. This is happening in India also.

    In the West, Christianity has a much better image than Hinduism and India.

    N.S. Rajaram

    2. My Take:
    I pay deference to Dr. Rajaram’s views. But image has nothing to do, with Christian success in getting hold, of Moslem converts. It is strictly an output of Conversion-Efforts ( Headlong Christian Conversion Efforts ).

    3. At this very time, millions & millions of Moslems of India, can be converted to Hinduism, if the Hindus take the Conversion-Effort seriously & purposefully. In fact, Moslems are much easier to convert to Hinduism, than Christians are ( even though, Christians are not all that formidable either.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  49. s.p. attri Says:

    Saturday, May 10, 2008
    Kashmiri-Hindu who is empathizing with MF Hussain

    Subj: Kashmiri-Hindu who is empathizing with MF Hussain
    1. Dear Friends, Please read below how a so-called learned Kashmiri Hindu brother empathized with MF Hussain and is calling the Hindus opposing Hussain as : “largely ignorant crowd”. He should be sent to an Islamic state to preside over cases and pass such judgements, to defend artists drawing pictures of Mohammad!!! I feel if he did that in a country like Pakistan or the Middle-East or even in a part of India where Muslims are in majority, he would be running for his and his family’s life!! Ghar chhoot gaya, phir bhi anti-Hindu maansikta nahin gayee!! (I do not think Justice Sanjay Kishan Kaul has any family left in Kashmir ) Hope nobody takes it personally! I wanted to share with you; I know you would be equally offended, as I was with this verdict!! Regards, Bharat

    2. My Take:
    The ignorance of such Kashmiri-HIndus, is beyond measure. Even tow-truck drivers are smarter than, these perversely-untutored Hindus, who are spreading falsehood & suppressing truth. These are the kinds of Hindus, who have ( in the past ) assisted the Moslems to invade Hindu lands ( and masscre untold number of Hindus ).

    3. Hindus need to clean up their house, from the curse of such un-schooled & un-worldly Hindus. Without this kind of clean-up, the Kismet ( destiny ) of the Hindu, shall be in depression & melancholy.

    Surinder Paul Attri

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