31.) The Bhagavadgītā and War: Ancient and Modern Perspectives

It could be considered odd – that the West, with its far more violent record, feels turned off by the martial context of the Bhadavadgītā, while the milder Hindu remains unfazed by it! How else are we to assess the following comment, even if not entirely accurate according to some.

More exposure to the Smārta sect came near the end of the 1930’s when the Bhagavad Gītā was introduced to the West as the holy bible of the Hindus. The metaphysical and philosophical circles and intelligentsia in America could not believe that an excerpted section of the Mahābhārata preaching violence could be anything but detrimental to future generations in the West. This has proven to be true in many, many cases, right up to the supreme court level. The swāmīs in those early years tried to justify God Krishna’s telling his devotee to kill his relatives, his guru, and that all would be well in the end because the soul never dies, and those who were killed would reincarnate. Western people were at that time, and still are, innocent and believing, having never been taught the art of divine deception. So, when Lord Krishna was seen to tell the warrior Arjuna to have a good night’s sleep, free from conscience, that did not go over well at all. Contemporary swāmīs made fruitless efforts to philosophically justify the Gītā, but their arguments and explanations were not convincing. [1]

The author goes onto say:

This was before the West experienced the Second World War, and people were still very religious, moral and thoughtful about these matters. The Gītā was rejected for the lofty Upanishads of the Veda that were being made available in English. Yet, in this century the Smārtas, along with many Vaishṇavas, have taken the Bhagavad Gītā as their promotional scripture, a text which is not a true scripture at all, but an epic poem from the Mahābhārata condoning was, critically called by eminent swāmis ‘the book of carnage,’ giving permission for violence.[2]

But is this reaction really that modern? The ancients were already concerned with the violence in the Mahābhārata and according to one tradition the sages requested Vyāsa to compose another work which corrected this impression. The Bhāgavata Purāṇa is said to have been composed as a result.


[1] Satguru Sivaya, Subramuniyaswami, Merging with Śiva (Hawaii: Himalayan Academy, 1999), p. xxx.

[2] Ibid.

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4 Responses to “31.) The Bhagavadgītā and War: Ancient and Modern Perspectives”

  1. Courtney Curry Says:

    I just wanted to thank you for this series of thought provoking and informative posts on the interpretation of the B-G. It was proven to be very helpful to me as a student.

  2. s.p. attri Says:

    1. Quote:
    SLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.
    2. COMMENT: What is wrong with the Lymeez ?
    Do they ( the Britishers ) know what the hell they ( the British ) are getting into ?
    Sharia is going to get them into a heap of trouble.
    Why are they asking for punishment ? Don’t they know that:
    Islamic law springs directly out of Quran & Hadis, & is sanctified by Allah’s words.
    3. Everything in Islamic law is diametrically-opposed to anything that, the British society stands for.
    4. Crazy Lymeez !
    Surinder Paul Attri

  3. s.p. attri Says:

    FM: swamijyoti to me

    Pl give your rejoinder for publication along with comment.

    SJ
    1. Anonymous has left a new comment on your post “The conversion tactics of the Adventist Christian …”:

    Regarding this posting: I think if you are going to quote the Bible, it’s important that you quote ALL the Bible that deals with the topic at hand…for example, Matthew 5:21 & 44 which says, “Thou shalt not kill. You shouldn’t even be angry with your brother without cause.” And “Love your enemies and bless them that curse you!” Christianity is not a religion of violence, but of LOVE.

    Also, Christ instructs us first to rescue our own sheep (the house of Israel) but THEN to go and share his love with the world. Matt 28:19,20. And John 15:12, “This is my commandment that ye love one another, as I have loved you.”

    Our God offers his love freely, and He bids us to share it….but He does nothing by force or fear!! He wants everyone to have the freedom to choose…He even tells us we can choose our own gods. (Josh 24:15) Why can’t our Hindu brothers and sisters allow this love and freedom as well??

    Your Friend,
    Peace

    2. My Take:
    Signor Peace is defending his Christian faith, with an iron sense of duty., but he is Not well-informed about Christianity at all. If he explores Christianity seriously, he would discover that Christianity is Not a religion of LOVE, that he has been led to believe (and which he claims ). That Christianity is a religion of Love is, what the Christians want you to believe Christianity is, but Christianity is Not a religion of Love. Christianity is a Gospel Of Hate. Its hatred of Non-Christian religions is legendary.

    3.Quote: Matthew 5:21 & 44 which says, “Thou shalt not kill. You shouldn’t even be angry with your brother without cause.” And “Love your enemies and bless them that curse you!” Christianity is not a religion of violence, but of LOVE.
    COMMENT: Actions speak louder than words.
    The historical record of Christianity neither supports this quote, nor Christianity’s claim of religion of Love.
    Two-thirds of Pagan-Europe was murdered by the soldiers of Jesus Christi, during the Christianization of Europe, and 41 million Native-Americans ( the so-called American-Indians ) were murdered by the Christians in North & South America.
    If Christianity is a religion of Love, then it has a singularly-queer way of showing its Love.

    4. If you read and quote the entire Bible ( as Signor Peace recommends ), you would discover that Christianity is Absolutely-Terrible. Christian God gives orders to exterminate entire nations, people who had done nothing wrong, and he gives their country & their possessions to their murderers.

    “ And thou shalt consume all the people which the LORD thy God shall deliver thee; thine eye shall have no pity upon them. “

    Read the whole Bible and learn, how the followers of this Christian God, executed this command to perform large-scale murder & plunder. They committed slaughter after slaughter. They exterminated town after town, region after region. Men, old people, women & children: they killed everybody.

    5. You read the entire Bible, to learn how this Christian God, demands unconditional obedience, and threatens his followers, in case they should be disloyal to him, to oppress them in such a way, that they will be compelled to eat their own children.

    Many more passages from the Bible can be cited, they are all just as terrible.
    You also will learn how this Bible foretells that, one day in the future this Christian God will, destroy this planet Earth & all its inhabitants. You also read about the horrors that, will happen then.

    6. Quote from Signor Peace:
    Also, Christ instructs us first to rescue our own sheep (the house of Israel) but THEN to go and share his love with the world. Matt 28:19,20. And John 15:12, “This is my commandment that ye love one another, as I have loved you.”

    COMMENT: Christ also told them to spread his gospel, and that is what the Christians are doing. Christians are told to make disciples of all nations. In the Christian churches of India, Christians are not only saying that their God is better than the rest, but also abuse, ridicule, & denigrate Hindu religion, Hindu gods & goddesses, every day of the week. They also publish a series of Anti-Hindu magazines & pamphlets, calling Hindu religions, and its gods & goddesses absolutely horrible.
    From kerala to Kashmir, the Christian missionaries are printing books in different names, denigrating Hinduism and Hindus so that they can carryout mass conversions.

    7. Here is one example of Christian publications:
    ‘Haqeeqat’ 8. (For Hindus) men can be Gods, women can be Goddesses… animals are gods, snakes are gods… they (Hindu Gods) fight among themselves, marry among themselves, throw out their wives, run away with others’ wives, they steal, get intoxicated, drink blood, are reincarnated as animals, fish and tortoise, some of them can lift mountains… Some Gods are in same-sex relationships and are yet able to produce babies. These Gods and Goddesses are always armed because they believe in killing and plunder. Some Gods think their penises are more powerful than nuclear bombs. Others like animals live naked among their followers. Some of them spend their time in yogic exercises, others are in samadhi and happy to see the number of blind followers swell… You can wash away your sins by worshipping the penises of Gods.

    8. Quote:
    Our God offers his love freely, and He bids us to share it….but He does nothing by force or fear!! He wants everyone to have the freedom to choose…He even tells us we can choose our own gods. (Josh 24:15) Why can’t our Hindu brothers and sisters allow this love and freedom as well??

    COMMENT: If Christian God tells them that we can choose our own gods, then why are the Christians bad-mouthing Hindu gods & goddesses so lavishly ? Is this the kind of Christian love that Signor Peace wants, Hindu brothers & sisters to embody ?

    People in India & elsewhere do not hear about Christian aggressions & terrorism, because Christians control Congress, and the Christian Mafia owns the media.

    Messages of this type, denigrating gods of other religions, can neither be printed in literature, nor broadcast on TV, they border on criminal activity, and there are laws in the Indian constitution, prohibiting such activity, but these laws are Not enforced. Christians take full advantage of slackness in the enforcement of Indian laws.

    9. Christianity’s claim as a religion of peace, love, & brotherhood does not equate with its actions of hate, violence, & terrorism. Its spurious claim only perpetrates & perpetuates fraud. The cruelty & barbarism that Christianity imposes upon Non-Christian religions & people, remains a horrible vision of reality. A rational mind will have plenty of trouble, explaining the Christianity’s Gospel Of Hate.

    10 Because Christianity is a Gospel Of Hate, corroborated by its barbaric record, engraved on the pages of history, it hardly qualifies as a religion of peace.

    Surinder Paul Attri

  4. s.p. attri Says:

    1. sURINDER JI:

    VERY POWERFUL JOINDER INDEED!

    MAY GOD GIVE YOU MORE STRENGTH TO REBUT THESE HYPROCITES.

    BEST REGARDS.

    NARAIN KATARIA

    (718) 478-5735

    2. My Take:

    Shri Kataria Jee: I am glad you liked my rejoinder. Thanks.

    3. I had to summon lots of courage, to make out the material of the Bible. I did try to steady my nerves with a cup of strong coffee, to read things that are absolutely-monstrous. But the un-easy sensation in the pit of my stomach, made me forget that cup of coffee. You cannot read this kind of stuff with a laid-back attitude.

    4. The Christian God ( Yahweh ) is much more wicked, much more fiendish than, the Devil whom the Christians & their leader Jesus Christ try to dispatch ( exorcise ). How foolish ? The entire ritual of exorcism, appears to me to be a rogue’s ritual. Come to think of it, every ritual in Christianity is, a ritual of exorcism. That makes Christianity, Devil’s religion. In fact, if there had been no Devil ( a totally-imaginary creature ), then Christianity would have disappeared centuries ago.

    5. As I reflect on these notations, my attention shifts to that imbecile Jesus Christ, who calls himself the son of God ( Yahweh ). That makes Jesus Christ the Son Of the Devil, and I expect him to take after his Father. People who worship such a terrible God, can expect nothing good really.

    6. It is a pity that, Christians are trying to subject the people of this planet, to the evil Biblical-Doctrine. People of this planet ought to get wise to the shenanigans of Christianity, and show it the door.

    Surinder Paul Attri

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